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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

  • 21-05-2013 3:02pm
    #1
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭


    A few week's ago I was flicking through the Sunday World and came across an article by Nicola Tallant and Donal MacIntyre about how Gardai had virtually destroyed a possible shallow grave of Irelands longest missing child Mary Boyle.

    Mary vanished 36 years ago in Cashelard, Ballyshannon, Donegal, 2 days after her disappearance 3 farmers came across what looked like a shallow freshly dug grave on boggy land, one of the farmers pulled a sod and saw what appeared to be brown hair, he froze and informed Gardai what he had seen, they had also marked the spot, but for some strange reason this wasn't followed up by Gardai and they never searched the spot or mentioned it again.

    On 3 reviews of the case over the years Gardai never excavated the 4ft X 2ft spot, nor ever gave any explanation as to why not.

    A few months ago the Sunday World cold case team got involved, they then commissioned a company called Scantech to do a geo-physical scan of the ground on March 27 and 28 this year , the exact area that the 3 farmers had identified 36 years ago showed disturbance, the Sunday World team gave the details to Gardai, Scantech also offered their services to Gardai free of charge as they had also done for the Sunday World team.

    A few days after the Sunday World had given the Gardai the "new" information a team of officers and a JCB arrived and dug, spread, turned and patted down with the JCB a quarter acre of land around the 4ft X 2ft spot, effectively destroying evidence that they had ignored for 36 years.
    The Gardai refused to give any statement on the dig/destruction.

    The boggy land would have preserved any DNA and forensic evidence.

    An ex Garda, retired Garda Sgt Alan Bailey slammed the dig.
    FORMER GARDA SLAMS DIG OPERATION IN SEARCH FOR MISSING MARY BOYLE

    A former leading Garda has slammed an operation which dug up a site using a JCB as part of the search for the body of Mary Boyle.

    However, retired Garda Sgt Alan Bailey, who worked with the Serious Crime Unit, said a much more thorough search should have been carried out.
    In fact, he said an archeological-type dig using scraping tools should have checked every inch of soil.
    “I have never heard of a JCB being used in a search for a shallow grave. In fact it would just be about the last thing you would use,” he said.
    Gardai told Donegal Daily they are not making any comment on the latest dig for the six year old who went missing 36 years ago.
    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/04/21/former-garda-slams-dig-operation-in-search-for-missing-mary-boyle/

    Nicola Tallant retraces the final fateful walk taken by Mary Boyle, Ireland's longest missing child.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCTn72vi6w

    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/investigations/mary-boyles-last-journey


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    Is this Mary Boyle's shallow grave?
    However, despite the fact it was marked and reported to gardai working on the case, it was never checked out, a Sunday World investigation reveals today. We can also disclose how the site is set to be dug up in a new review that could lead to the first major breakthrough in the hunt for the little girl.

    We can reveal how:
    • a shallow grave was reported to Gardai THREE times across three decades but has yet to be excavated;
    Today, Mary's twin sister Ann also issues a desperate plea to the Gardai to excavate the grave discovered by witnesses on the hillside where her sister disappeared 36 years ago.
    The site, a little over a hundred metres from the last place Mary was last seen alive, was identified by three witnesses just two days after she went missing, but has never been searched or undergone any forensic analysis.

    Three searchers, including farmer John Gallagher (no relation), say they came across what looked like a freshlydug grave measuring about four feet by two feet.
    One of the trio, who has since died, later told an officer involved in the original investigation that he pulled at some of the sod and saw what looked like brown hair.

    He said he marked the site with a stick and made his way to a mobile unit which was being used as the Garda's headquarters during the searches. He informed an officer of his find. The Sunday World understands that the grave was never mentioned again and weeks later, when Gallagher enquired, he was informed that it had been ruled out.
    Weeks after her disappearance, two graves were dug in lands near the family farm. They were routinely excavated to make sure they held animal remains and not the child, but incredibly, the one nearest the place where she was last seen was left untouched.

    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/is-this-mary-boyle-s-shallow-grave
    MISSING MARY’S SISTER COMPLAINS TO GARDAI ABOUT DIG
    Gardai used a JCB to excavate a quarter acre site just 100 metres from where Mary was last seen in Cashelard near Ballyshannon in 1977.
    It follows a scan by a geophysical company Scantech who identified a possible burial site in the area.
    However before they could finalise their report, Gardai carried out a dig
    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/04/29/missing-marys-sister-complains-to-gardai-about-dig/
    GARDAI USE JCBs TO DIG NEW SITE IN MARY BOYLE CASE
    Gardai have used JCBs to carry out a new dig of an area identified as a possible burial place of missing Mary Boyle.
    However a spokesman for the Garda Press office said they were not making any statement on the new dig.
    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2013/04/18/gardai-use-jcbs-to-dig-new-site-in-mary-boyle-case/
    X-Ray scan reveals hidden grave
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    A SPECIALIST scan of a site near where six-year-old Mary Boyle disappeared 36 years ago has sensationally found evidence of a possible grave. A Sunday World commissioned geo-physical survey of the site just metres from where Mary was last seen, indicates a significant disturbance underneath the ground. It is the exact spot where witnesses first identified a possible shallow grave just days after she disappeared.
    We informed the Gardai of the developments on Friday and will be handing them the full report from respected company Scantech. Last night they had yet to cordon off or protect the area, however.

    Inexplicably, the Gardai at the time did not investigate the ground and the report appears to have been forgotten or lost.The site was never checked. Fifteen years ago during a review of the case, Gardai again made inquiries about the report, but again nothing was done.

    "We have discovered a significant cluster of anomalies at the location and feel that this site needs to investigated thoroughly," Scantech chief executive Tom Davitt told the Sunday World.
    "We don't know what is there, but it is consistent with the witness reports.You can't tell exactly until you excavate. The anomalies were where the witnesses pointed them out."

    The Sunday World passed our findings and the preliminary Scantech report on to Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly, who said he is reviewing the fresh evidence.
    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/x-ray-scan-reveals-hidden-grave

    I can't find the Sunday World article I first read after the dig online, but if the paper is still lying about I'll photograph the article and post it up.

    I've so many questions in this case, to me it seems the Gardai or some senior member(s) has something to hide, why would a spot found 2 days after her disappearance with brown hair coming from the ground NOT be immediately cordened off and forensically investigated?

    WHY did the Gardai use a JCB to dig, turn and spread, then pat down a quarter acre when the 4ft X 2ft area had been pointed out to them on numerous occasions and coincidently also the exact same spot showed disturbance when X-Ray'd?

    This can't be simply a case of Garda stupidity.


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  • #2
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Donegal's the wild west of Ireland.

    Really wouldn't surprise me at all if there are a couple of Gardai up there who know all about the incident and need to make it "go away" for the protection of some individuals.

    Be interesting to see what the Ombudsman comes up with.


  • #3
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0VXjpSZRc


  • #4
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    A few more stories about this unusual case.

    Nothing found in latest search for Mary Boyle.
    http://www.donegalnow.com/sp/article_manager/detail/nothing_found_in_latest_search_for_mary_boyle

    This is a strange one....Daniel O'Donnell's sister got a psychic in a couple of years ago..

    Dig resumes for girl missing 34 years
    The dig began yesterday and is based on information from a psychic who is a friend of country singer Margo O'Donnell, sister of singer Daniel.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0110/296295-boylem/

    And again.

    New search for missing Kincasslagh girl Mary Boyle
    The dig has been prompted by new information from a Dutch psychic hired by country singer Margo O’Donnell – Daniel’s sister – a close friend of the Boyle family.
    Margo says Mr Sterns is a long time friend and has worked a number of cases successfully with police in the united states:
    http://www.highlandradio.com/2011/01/10/new-search-for-missing-kincasslagh-girl-mary-boyle/

    And again.

    Search for missing girl to continue in Donegal
    Yesterday, members of her family were assisted by gardaí in a fresh dig of a bogland site near where she was last seen.

    It was initiated on foot of information from a Danish psychic hired by country singer and friend of the family Margo O'Donnell - sister of singer Daniel.

    The dig will resume this morning.
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/search-for-missing-girl-to-continue-in-donegal-488698.html

    And again.

    Search for Donegal child missing since 1977 resumes.
    Singer Daniel O’Donnell’s sister Margo hired the psychic Yan Sterns to help the Boyle family in their search. The BBC reports that Sterns identified an area near Ballyshannon during a visit there on Friday which he believed should be searched.
    Gardaí have released an image showing what Mary could look like now, aged 40, and say their search for her is still “a live investigation”:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/search-for-donegal-child-missing-since-1977-resumes-66420-Jan2011/

    And again.

    Fresh search for Irish girl missing for 34 years
    The psychic visited a remote hillside near Ballyshannon on Friday and pointed to where the dig should take place.
    It was his third visit to the area.
    Gardai supervised the dig. They said the would act on any information supplied.
    Mary Boyle disappeared 34 years ago but this is a still "a live investigation", a spokesman for the Irish police said.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12150510

    All this makes it even stranger why the area where a fresh grave with hair coming out of the ground was reported 2 days after she disappeared and never searched, while a psychic directs the operation and the garda supervise at the behest of Daniel O'Donnell's sister.......:confused:

    Yet up until a few weeks ago the area/spot was never searched/examined, then when something a little more helpful than the psychic is used and identifies the same spot as reported 36 years ago plus a few times in between, the gardai finally decide to dig there.

    But used a JCB and ripped up a quarter acre and possibly Mary Boyle also?, cross contaminating and sreading and mixing any forensics, DNA that may have been there.


  • #5
    Kinzig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kinzig


    Ive followed this case with interest over the years and remember one of the investigating officers saying that he believed that Mary Boyle never left the townland of Cashelhard..

    link


  • #6
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Kinzig wrote: »
    Ive followed this case with interest over the years and remember one of the investigating officers saying that he believed that Mary Boyle never left the townland of Cashelhard..

    link

    Hiya Kinzig, have you any theories/ideas why the gardai never dug the fresh grave found 2 days after the disappearance or who the members of the public who shouldn't have been in the investigation room were?

    Or do you have any idea why the gardai destroyed the area with a JCB?

    I only came across this story a few weeks ago after the gardai dug with the JCB in an article in the Sunday World, yet it seems the story I first read isn't on the Sunday World site for some strange reason...

    If anybody has a link to the Sunday World story after the dig could they please post a link because I cant seem to find it.......


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  • #7
    Kinzig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kinzig


    stuar wrote: »
    Hiya Kinzig, have you any theories/ideas why the gardai never dug the fresh grave found 2 days after the disappearance or who the members of the public who shouldn't have been in the investigation room were?

    Or do you have any idea why the gardai destroyed the area with a JCB?

    I only came across this story a few weeks ago after the gardai dug with the JCB in an article in the Sunday World, yet it seems the story I first read isn't on the Sunday World site for some strange reason...

    If anybody has a link to the Sunday World story after the dig could they please post a link because I cant seem to find it.......


    its been a few years since I dug up any info on this but my impressions were that the girl was taken by someone local and her body was relocated ..the garda ruled out any strangers in the area as there were men poaching the lake and they had a lookout on the hill who told investigating officers that no movement had taken place by road in cashelhard as the poachers were actually watching for garda movement..so the culprit was local..the search wasnt intensive enough on the first night and they suspected the body was moved then..one question I ask myself is were the members of the public in the incident room privvy to information on the upcoming search grids and thus allowed the suspect to be one step ahead?

    as this is purely speculation on my part dont put any credence into it..but the uncles timeline tallied so ruling him out..no strangers were in the area..then the culprit had to be a local..if the garda had treated this asa murder investigation from the off then they would have had more success..just as in the madeleine mc cann case they should have been looking for a body not some girl that had been abducted/wandered off..imo.


  • #8
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Kinzig wrote: »
    its been a few years since I dug up any info on this but my impressions were that the girl was taken by someone local and her body was relocated ..the garda ruled out any strangers in the area as there were men poaching the lake and they had a lookout on the hill who told investigating officers that no movement had taken place by road in cashelhard as the poachers were actually watching for garda movement..so the culprit was local..the search wasnt intensive enough on the first night and they suspected the body was moved then..one question I ask myself is were the members of the public in the incident room privvy to information on the upcoming search grids and thus allowed the suspect to be one step ahead?

    as this is purely speculation on my part dont put any credence into it..but the uncles timeline tallied so ruling him out..no strangers were in the area..then the culprit had to be a local..if the garda had treated this asa murder investigation from the off then they would have had more success..just as in the madeleine mc cann case they should have been looking for a body not some girl that had been abducted/wandered off..imo.

    Yes I think it was a local myself, possibly a well up in society local, but WHY ON EARTH was the newly dug, fresh possible grave never once even looked at?, ffs any idiot would check there as soon as it was reported, but it took the gardai 36 years, then they just destroyed it??? with a JCB?, pulling a quarter acre instead of a 2ft X 4ft patch, firstly identified by locals, then by ground xray, as soon as the xray was brought in somebody panicked and sent a JCB to destroy the area, mixing and turning, look at any other missing person case, all the Larry Murphy possibles, this is simply not how things are normally done, hand trowels are the normal way, especially if the site in question is only little over a square metre, theres a fucking cover up, one of the prominent paedophiles in the area did it, his ****ing co members in the gardai allowed the ring or some of them into the investigation room, the fresh grave was never searched or even slightly investigated up until the gardai were forced by the sunday world team to either get trowels and evidence or destroy it, they desroyed it, members of the gardai are paedophiles, and after 36 years somebody is still hiding a lot.

    Another thing I cant understand is why the family never dug the spot themselves, instead of fukking Daniel o Donnell's sister getting some freak psycho in to look in all the places EXCEPT the obvious......

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    Mod: Last line snipped for being unnecessary and potentially troublesome. Please refrain from that type of posting.


  • #9
    rightyabe
    Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭rightyabe


    Very strange that 3 people find brown hair under a sod a few days after a child goes missing and they themselves done nothing..if this is true I'm shocked.

    I would hold a vigil on that spot until Gardaí/Media/More people come and witness it also..


  • #10
    padma
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭padma


    In fairness though, if you came across what looks like a body, you'd first ring the guards, and let them deal with it, you wouldn't want to be disturbing what could be a crime scene. The actions of the Gardai is another story.


  • #11
    rightyabe
    Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭rightyabe


    padma wrote: »
    In fairness though, if you came across what looks like a body, you'd first ring the guards, and let them deal with it, you wouldn't want to be disturbing what could be a crime scene. The actions of the Gardai is another story.


    Yeah but if you were 100% certain that it was hair, you inform the gardai and nothing more is heard of it. Surely you would go back a check if its still there.

    Was there not a theory that she fell down a bog hole..?


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  • #12
    Kinzig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kinzig


    rightyabe wrote: »
    Yeah but if you were 100% certain that it was hair, you inform the gardai and nothing more is heard of it. Surely you would go back a check if its still there.

    Was there not a theory that she fell down a bog hole..?

    The place was searched to a high level over a period of time..my thinking on this is that the gardai did check the grave but checked it too late, the body having been relocated in the time they were told about it and in the time they checked it..they werent going to admit to the public that they made such a monumental mistake but also they werent going to alert the suspect that they were on to them even though the suspect was one step ahead with having information from being inside the incident room or having talked to others who were..the retired gardai always hinted at the body being hidden then moved..the cover up may be just a case of covering up a bad job imo..

    if AGS had treated this as a murder investigation from the off the area would have been sealed off and the culprit wouldn have never got back in to relocate the body imo..but the real pressure was slow to gain momentum by which time by which time the body was moved to where it is today and thats somewhere just outside the search zone..


  • #13
    Duiske
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    It was suggested some years back that police in the UK suspected child killer Robert Black was involved in Mary Boyles murder. Seems he was spending time close to Ballyshannon around the time she disappeared. Anyone know if the Gardai have ever commented on this possible link ? Maybe it's just tabloid speculation though.


    Robert Black (Wiki) (MailOnline)
    Other murders linked to Black include:

    April Fabb, aged 13, killed in Norfolk in 1969;
    Christine Markham, six, Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, 1973;
    Mary Boyle, seven, from Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, 1977.
    Susanne Lawrence, 14, Essex, 1979;
    Pamela Hastie, 16, Johnstone, Scotland, 1981;
    Patsy Morris, 14, Feltham, west London, 1990.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054133/Robert-Black-convicted-murder-fourth-schoolgirl-Jennifer-Cardy.html#ixzz2U7PlIPCc


  • #14
    Kinzig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kinzig


    Duiske wrote: »
    It was suggested some years back that police in the UK suspected child killer Robert Black was involved in Mary Boyles murder. Seems he was spending time close to Ballyshannon around the time she disappeared. Anyone know if the Gardai have ever commented on this possible link ? Maybe it's just tabloid speculation though.


    Robert Black (Wiki) (MailOnline)


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054133/Robert-Black-convicted-murder-fourth-schoolgirl-Jennifer-Cardy.html#ixzz2U7PlIPCc


    The gardai looked into Black but there was no evidence to put him in Donegal during that month, during questioning he offered to help profile the killer afaik...

    One thing that makes me wonder is who took the memorial cross from the hill and why?

    Heres a link suggesting marys sister doesnt believe black was involved either, rather someone closer to home..


  • #15
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    First I've heard of this. Thanks for letting me know stuar, you really put the effort in. It's a really sad affair and even more iffy.


  • #16
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    hi i dont know if im allowed to bump this thread but il try anyhow , im a cousin of Mary but not from the Ballyshannon side and i was born 2 years after she went missing

    one thing i can say now is that this truly belongs in conspiracy theories as it has been a conspiracy of silence from day 1 .

    there's a documentary coming out soon.. this is a preview to it and needless to say there's enough alone in the preview to shock most people.

    This cover-up involves at least one Politician and also Gards covering up and not investigating properly- for whatever reason, the culprit is known and has been reported by various people including the retired Gards on the case yet he has NEVER been brought in for official questioning, even members of his own extended family has made official gardai reports about him.

    Also on top of all this shamefully the mainstream Irish media ie RTE , Newstalk and the likes have totally ignored the allegations made in this video
    As I'm sure you can appreciate I can't name names either thru here or PM but this case is potentially massive and hopefully at last its going to explode but I can and will say something , both the murderer & the politician are still alive . Robert Black is dead , he never had anything to do with it , and his name was used as a patsy to throw the scent off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtN19gKGY1Y


  • #17
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    I want to clarify im not a spokesperson for any of the family my views are my own , my contact with the Boyle side ( my side) of the family is non-existant on this matter due to location, and i do not know the other side of Marys family at all nor the area where they lived and she disappeared, my views are my own and down to my own research into the case.


  • #18
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    IMO the most respected British newspaper has its say, still nothing from mainstream Irish Media onbthe recent allegations

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/apr/29/why-has-irelands-mainstream-media-turned-its-back-on-mary-boyle?CMP=share_btn_fb


  • #19
    honreal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 246 ✭✭honreal


    When is the doc going to air?

    reading this story today boiled my blood... im intrigued to find out more.


  • #20
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    honreal wrote: »
    When is the doc going to air?

    reading this story today boiled my blood... im intrigued to find out more.

    The journalist who made it offered to make it for RTE a year ago . she offered them and TV3 it again , no answer from either

    She tweeted it will be available for "all citizens of Ireland in the next fortnight" so im guessing she means youtube, id gladly pay to watch it but this needs to be seen by as many people as possible !!


  • #21
    ScumLord
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    The actions of the guards could be simply down to incompetence or a lack of training. This happened decades ago in a rural part of the country, I wouldn't really expect guards at that time and place to know how to act correctly. The fact they're relying on a psychic shows a level of desperation.

    From what I can see there is no "grave site". There was a report which was ignored, which could have happened because of a cover up or because they didn't trust the person giving the report. There's way too much anecdotal evidence floating around to make any conclusions.

    At this stage it looks like there should definitely be an investigation into the actions of the guards, even if it was just incompetence procedures need to be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.


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  • #22
    rucksack
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    stuar wrote: »
    A few week's ago I was flicking through the Sunday World and came across an article by Nicola Tallant and Donal MacIntyre about how Gardai had virtually destroyed a possible shallow grave of Irelands longest missing child Mary Boyle.

    Mary vanished 36 years ago in Cashelard, Ballyshannon, Donegal, 2 days after her disappearance 3 farmers came across what looked like a shallow freshly dug grave on boggy land, one of the farmers pulled a sod and saw what appeared to be brown hair, he froze and informed Gardai what he had seen, they had also marked the spot, but for some strange reason this wasn't followed up by Gardai and they never searched the spot or mentioned it again.

    On 3 reviews of the case over the years Gardai never excavated the 4ft X 2ft spot, nor ever gave any explanation as to why not.

    A few months ago the Sunday World cold case team got involved, they then commissioned a company called Scantech to do a geo-physical scan of the ground on March 27 and 28 this year , the exact area that the 3 farmers had identified 36 years ago showed disturbance, the Sunday World team gave the details to Gardai, Scantech also offered their services to Gardai free of charge as they had also done for the Sunday World team.

    A few days after the Sunday World had given the Gardai the "new" information a team of officers and a JCB arrived and dug, spread, turned and patted down with the JCB a quarter acre of land around the 4ft X 2ft spot, effectively destroying evidence that they had ignored for 36 years.
    The Gardai refused to give any statement on the dig/destruction.

    The boggy land would have preserved any DNA and forensic evidence.

    An ex Garda, retired Garda Sgt Alan Bailey slammed the dig.



    Nicola Tallant retraces the final fateful walk taken by Mary Boyle, Ireland's longest missing child.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCTn72vi6w

    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/investigations/mary-boyles-last-journey


    d2a994954e08269cfe2c1c9e9433f19f:10191ee967a123bd75714d038efa1d3e









    I can't find the Sunday World article I first read after the dig online, but if the paper is still lying about I'll photograph the article and post it up.

    I've so many questions in this case, to me it seems the Gardai or some senior member(s) has something to hide, why would a spot found 2 days after her disappearance with brown hair coming from the ground NOT be immediately cordened off and forensically investigated?

    WHY did the Gardai use a JCB to dig, turn and spread, then pat down a quarter acre when the 4ft X 2ft area had been pointed out to them on numerous occasions and coincidently also the exact same spot showed disturbance when X-Ray'd?

    This can't be simply a case of Garda stupidity.
    would not pay much attention to Nicola Tallant and Donal MacIntyre . He does some cold case show about murders with a pop psycholosist in tow


  • #23
    oranbhoy67
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    rucksack wrote: »
    would not pay much attention to Nicola Tallant and Donal MacIntyre . He does some cold case show about murders with a pop psycholosist in tow



    Nicola Tallant has took umbrage on twiiter with a Guardian article asking why the mainstream Irish media is ignoring this . she cited her and donals sunday world article as proof that they arent ignoring it

    The article was 3 years old

    the Guardian writer then added a footnote to his article that whilst its great that they and the independent have done articles on this case in the last few years- to get real results a case like this needs a sustained campaign of Investigative journalism...
    which only one person in Ireland is doing and she is doing great with it ,
    her documentary will be released free online this month and it will surely move this along .


  • #24
    oranbhoy67
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    The actions of the guards could be simply down to incompetence or a lack of training. This happened decades ago in a rural part of the country, I wouldn't really expect guards at that time and place to know how to act correctly. The fact they're relying on a psychic shows a level of desperation.

    From what I can see there is no "grave site". There was a report which was ignored, which could have happened because of a cover up or because they didn't trust the person giving the report. There's way too much anecdotal evidence floating around to make any conclusions.

    At this stage it looks like there should definitely be an investigation into the actions of the guards, even if it was just incompetence procedures need to be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    the gards involved have admitted they were naive in the extreme to let people traipse in and out of their incident room, but to be fair to them they say they had a main suspect from day one who they have NEVER in 40 years been allowed to formally interrogate, they claim this is due to political intervention , if there is even a chance that this is true it should be massive news all over Ireland

    Instead, it has been totally ignored, The Guardian & The Sunday Independent from the UK have both ran stories about these developments as have the Irish-American website Irish Central .. the silence from the mainstream Irish Media has been deafening there's has been not a peep!!

    and some of the stuff certain "journalists" have been coming out with on twitter is shameful to say the least .


  • #25
    honreal
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    With the power of social media, this will grow legs and be all over the place in no time. there is not much room to hide when something does the rounds online.


  • #26
    oranbhoy67
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    I am just back from my local TDs office of the party concerned to register my disgust at the allegations and the seemingly slow way they are reacting to anything on this.

    We had #MaryBoyle Trending for a while on twitter on Friday until the usual suspects of Tv shows etc took over , as said we are looking to social media to spread the word . the journalist involved in the is @gemmaod1 if anyone wants to read up on developments, she was sacked by her paper for asking the garda commissioner why he was able to get points on his drivers licence removed , there was zero support for her then amongst her colleagues and it seems to be the same now , she won that case with a pay out and a grovelling apology , ive full confidence she will win this one too.

    shes a real credit to her trade.


  • #27
    ScumLord
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    honreal wrote: »
    With the power of social media, this will grow legs and be all over the place in no time. there is not much room to hide when something does the rounds online.
    Social media is like an unguided nuclear bomb though.

    It would need to take on a pretty significant social media following. The media are out to make money and obviously don't think there's much interest in this story. If the story fails to whip up interest online the media won't go near it. The documentary may help in the same way "making a murderer" help Steven Avery.

    The problem after that is there's very little information, what's there isn't very clear and is wrapped up in opinion and speculation. If investigators could come together (it's probably too much work for one person to do in their spare time) and establish some real facts, a timeline and look into the allegations of collusion from politicians. There might be something to spoon feed lazy Irish journalists. I think someone may need to do most of the initial work to get the media interested.


  • #28
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Social media is like an unguided nuclear bomb though.

    It would need to take on a pretty significant social media following. The media are out to make money and obviously don't think there's much interest in this story. If the story fails to whip up interest online the media won't go near it. The documentary may help in the same way "making a murderer" help Steven Avery.

    The problem after that is there's very little information, what's there isn't very clear and is wrapped up in opinion and speculation. If investigators could come together (it's probably too much work for one person to do in their spare time) and establish some real facts, a timeline and look into the allegations of collusion from politicians. There might be something to spoon feed lazy Irish journalists. I think someone may need to do most of the initial work to get the media interested.

    i know what you are saying and a lot of it is true

    Social media is a minefield , i had one journalist on it continually ask the name of the politician and the suspect , by doing so he must've surely know how harmful this could be to any future case because of due process

    But believe me when i say that there is more than speculation on this , one of the very senior gards (now retired) involved submitted a 28-page report into who he belives the killer is after he retired - he has yet to be contacted. as has the other retired gard who reported his knowledge .

    If the main suspect was brought in once - Just once - for interrogation it is thought he might crack as he has done before in private . but coming on now 40 years since the case and he has never been formally interviewed, its a disgrace and a massive stain on and failure of the state .


  • #29
    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Social media is like an unguided nuclear bomb though.

    It would need to take on a pretty significant social media following. The media are out to make money and obviously don't think there's much interest in this story. If the story fails to whip up interest online the media won't go near it. The documentary may help in the same way "making a murderer" help Steven Avery.

    The problem after that is there's very little information, what's there isn't very clear and is wrapped up in opinion and speculation. If investigators could come together (it's probably too much work for one person to do in their spare time) and establish some real facts, a timeline and look into the allegations of collusion from politicians. There might be something to spoon feed lazy Irish journalists. I think someone may need to do most of the initial work to get the media interested.
    They are not lazy - just afraid to question their political masters and do not deserve to be called 'journalist'


  • #30
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    rucksack wrote: »
    They are not lazy - just afraid to question their political masters and do not deserve to be called 'journalist'

    yep they are far from lazy , they are very, very active on twitter!

    one replied to me

    "meh , who even said she was murdered?"

    another who calls himself a campaigner for victims rights & is also a journalist Tweeted something along the lines of

    " its funny to see people changing their avatars to Mary Boyle who previously didnt have any problem with people getting murdered and buried in a ditch "

    he would rather have a dig at shinners than do anything to expose this case


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  • #31
    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    yep they are far from lazy , they are very, very active on twitter!

    one replied to me

    "meh , who even said she was murdered?"

    another who calls himself a campaigner for victims rights & is also a journalist Tweeted something along the lines of

    " its funny to see people changing their avatars to Mary Boyle who previously didnt have any problem with people getting murdered and buried in a ditch "

    he would rather have a dig at shinners than do anything to expose this case
    who are they? i do not have twitter


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