Rosslare Container Migrants disappear from Direct Provision Centre

Del.Monte wrote: »

A number of the migrants found on a ship to Rosslare last Thursday have left a Dublin direct provision centre and are believed to be heading for the UK. You couldn't make this stuff up. Imagine arriving illegally in Australia and just being allowed to wander off untraced into the country.


I'm sure that the Gardai know everything about their affiliations to ISIS etc. after talking to them for a few hours at Rosslare. :rolleyes:


ThE OAP who is Minister for Justice needs to be sacked and somebody with a glimmer of intelligence put in his place. The security of the country is a joke while this sort of nonsense continues.




https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-found-on-ship-to-rosslare-have-left-direct-provision-centre-in-dublin-966197.html

Agreed. It is incomprehensible that there was no monitoring at all. I believe 9 have fled up North.

With Brexit and the huge border issue ongoing I am shocked at the incompetence of our government. Already many of our failed asylum seekers have disappeared assumed gone up North to get to the UK.

Can someone competent please take control of our borders please?

if the border between the Republic and the North is significantly strengthened by Brexit i would expect to see the number of asylum seekers and indeed immigration as a whole decline here.

UK still an aspirational country for many, as has been said, there are huge communities for whatever country the people may be from, in the UKs big cities.

I'd have thought plenty here would be pleased they've decided to move to the UK, and no longer be a burden on the Irish taxpayer or something.

I'd imagine it's to do with the bigger population, city's and as you say already established communities with the hope of work.

Good, hopefully a few more follow them.

Del.Monte wrote: »

I'm sure that the Gardai know everything about their affiliations to ISIS etc. after talking to them for a few hours at Rosslare. :rolleyes:

ISIS members don’t usually travel in shipping containers, they fly or, at least, go by ferry.

First off, if these lads have now fecked off elsewhere, I say let them! They arrived here illegally from a safe country. Their "asylum" claims should have been rejected on the spot, not used as a PR stunt by the politicians and well funded advocate groups (who I'd hope - but doubt - are feeling suitably embarrassed today).

For the rest of us though this highlights again the not thought out approach in place here, where a bunch of lads we know nothing about have just disappeared from the system only days later! The security risks inherent in such a lax approach are massive given where some of these (welfare) "tourists" are coming from and the culture and mindset they bring with them.

Virtue signalling nonsense does not trump national security. We've seen what happens in the UK and Europe when that is ignored.

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

thenightman wrote: »

Can't beat this schizophrenic/xenophobic forum. Moan that they managed to make it here and that we will be stuck footing the bill for their stay in direct provision.

Now when we learn that some of them have fecked off out of the state, most likely to join family in the UK. I'm sure some of you are disappointed to see that these folks didn't see Ireland as an easy to fleece haven! Now ye are advocating that the state should have spent more money locking them up 24/7 and attempting detailed background checks (which coincidentally none of you know the Gardai with the assistance of Inter/Europol haven't done)

Anything for a good auld racist moan I suppose!

Shouting racist or xenophobe doesn't help your point (quite the opposite), so let's get that out of the way first.

Now, let's review :

- a group of lads turn up in a container from France (a safe first world country) and despite trying to get to the UK (why? And why in a container?) we offer them asylum here - despite them having entered the country illegally and apparently unintentionally.

- not even a week later several go missing and are presumed heading for the UK. Given that we have no information on these guys or their backgrounds, you don't find that the least bit concerning?

These are the facts. Please point out the racism.

@ The Nightman
It is not racist to want secure borders. Do you not think what happened is a gift to Brexiteers who want a hard border in Ireland? Or that it is ironic that our lax approach could see a return to civil war up North?

Excerpt from an LA Times article on borders:

More broadly, those who deride borders are unwilling to address why tens of millions of people choose to cross them in the first place, leaving their language fluency and native soil — at great personal risk. The answer is obvious: migration, as it was in the 1960s between mainland China and Hong Kong, as it is now between North and South Korea, is usually a one-way street, from the non-West to the West or its Westernized manifestations. People walk, climb, swim, and fly across borders, secure in the knowledge that boundaries mark different approaches to human experience, with one side perceived as more successful or inviting than the other.

Western rules that promote a greater likelihood of consensual government, religious tolerance, an independent judiciary, free-market capitalism, and the protection of private property combine to offer the individual a level of prosperity and personal security rarely enjoyed at home. As a result, migrants make the necessary travel adjustments to go westward — especially given that Western civilization, uniquely so, has usually defined itself by culture, not race, and thus alone is willing to accept and integrate those of different races who wish to share its protocols.

Many unassimilated Muslims in the West assume that they can ignore Western jurisprudence and yet rely on it in extremis. Today’s Pakistani new arrival in London might wish to follow sharia law as he knew it in Punjab. But implicit are two unmentionable constants: The migrant most certainly does not wish to return to face sharia law in Pakistan. Second, if he had his way, institutionalizing his native culture into that of his newly adopted land, he would eventually flee the results — and once again likely go somewhere else, for the same reasons that he left home in the first place.

Similarly, when undocumented Latino youths disrupt a Donald Trump rally, they often wave Mexican flags or flash placards bearing slogans such as “Make America Mexico Again.” But note the emotional paradox: In anger at possible deportation, non-citizens nonsensically wave the flag of the country that they most certainly do not wish to rejoin, while ignoring the flag of the nation in which they adamantly wish to remain.

seenitall wrote: »

Um, it's the reverse direction that Ireland should be worried about, surely? After Brexit, once that the UK becomes ever more inhospitable to those who have set up as undocumented there, it is the porous nature of the border of the first available EU country to them, that will become the problem for Ireland.

I'm not so sure that those economic migrants already in the UK would decide to up sticks and make the trip over here, most of them still think they will have better opportunities there than in surrounding countries like here or France.