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Labour want to bring back auto-birthright citizenship

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    #62
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    kildare lad wrote: »
    If my mam gives birth to me while they're on holidays in china , does that make me chinese ?

    Aodhan O'Riordan would probably try to tell you yes with a straight face.


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    #63
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭blackbox


    In the USA the birthright of a child gives no additional rights to the parents.

    In Ireland, when we had the birthright law, parents and guardians were also granted residency rights as the courts deemed that the child had a right to have them here. This did not revert when the child reached adulthood.


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    #64
    Wibbs
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    Yurt! wrote: »
    Aodhan O'Riordan would probably try to tell you yes with a straight face.
    If the poster is pale of face I seriously doubt it. This "diversity" is remarkably colour specific and it's only ever in one direction. None of the diversity pundits would suggest that what a majority African or Asian culture really needs to be progressive is more White migrants. More locally consider the well over one hundred thousand White non native Irish living in Ireland that almost never get any sort of mention. They're practically invisible.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #65
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blackbox wrote: »
    In the USA the birthright of a child gives no additional rights to the parents.

    In Ireland, when we had the birthright law, parents and guardians were also granted residency rights as the courts deemed that the child had a right to have them here. This did not revert when the child reached adulthood.




    Even if it had "reverted" it would have made little difference. The parents would have be naturalised by then. The only thing that they could have done was to give a special visa to the parents which explicitly legally stopped the clock as regards duration of stay.


    However when the children reached 18, they would still be able to petition to get status for their parents anyway.


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    #66
    lemonTrees
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    Another example of why Ireland needs a right leaning political party. The pendulum is swinging too far to the left and must be addressed.


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    #67
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Another example of why Ireland needs a right leaning political party. The pendulum is swinging too far to the left and must be addressed.

    You can be sure that privately, there will be a large cross sections in every political party that would have huge reservations or be outright opposed to this (even in the Labour party). It is however extremely difficult to come out and say it as they would be hammered by a noisy minority in the press and social media.

    This would be an absolute red line issue on the doorstep for me during an election and anyone who feels similar should not be shy about expressing that viewpoint to candidates looking for a vote.

    FYI: I'm not even on the right of the political spectrum. I just think (know actually) that Ireland reverting to jus soli would end in absolute disaster for this country.


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    #68
    mohawk
    Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Another example of why Ireland needs a right leaning political party. The pendulum is swinging too far to the left and must be addressed.

    Do we need a right leaning party? Just because a person supports controlled immigration doesn’t mean they are right wing.


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    #69
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Thats what their priority is? Jaysis, read the room lads.

    Apart from the 80% majority at the time, floating it for reconsideration ahead of the mammoth task of refloating the economy, wherein immigration is an issue at the best of times, is simply naive and tone deaf.

    You seem to misunderstand. Labour don’t want to put it to the people. They want to usurp the will of the people by just changing it without a vote by the public.


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    #70
    marieholmfan
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    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Another example of why Ireland needs a right leaning political party. The pendulum is swinging too far to the left and must be addressed.

    Assuming that half of these 'birthright citizens' are boys they could be a full division that we may well need in the near future when we again wage war against our eternal enemy.


    Why are people who claim to be on the right seeking to weaken Ireland's warfighting ability??

    Are they actually ENGLAND'S HIRELINGS?


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    #71
    John Doe1
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    Labour still exist??

    They are right though, what this country needs is 1000's of underqualified people from incompatible cultures (Anti-woman and liberal values) who may not be able to speak the language competing with our already stretched working class in a job market which will be made even smaller by automation in the coming years.

    Geniuses!


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    #72
    Gervais08
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    If the poster is pale of face I seriously doubt it. This "diversity" is remarkably colour specific and it's only ever in one direction. None of the diversity pundits would suggest that what a majority African or Asian culture really needs to be progressive is more White migrants. More locally consider the well over one hundred thousand White non native Irish living in Ireland that almost never get any sort of mention. They're practically invisible.

    That is an excellent point Wibbs - white people going to a black county - evil nasty colonialism whilst black people coming into a white country - yay for diversity!!!

    There used to be a word when I was a wee one for treating people differently due to their colour....


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    #73
    Gervais08
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Assuming that half of these 'birthright citizens' are boys they could be a full division that we may well need in the near future when we again wage war against our eternal enemy.


    Why are people who claim to be on the right seeking to weaken Ireland's warfighting ability??

    Are they actually ENGLAND'S HIRELINGS?

    Put the top back on the marker after you’ve used it dude k???


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    #74
    1hnr79jr65
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    I would be strongly against voting for birthright citizenship due to current economy and jobs market, not to mention the country being abused for social welfare payments amongst other things. Also when you consider how bad the housing situation and homelessness rates are on top of direct provision refugees, it does not make any sense for such a law to be passed.

    Right now in terms of direct provision I am not aware of the numbers of births in this situation, however with how the applications are managed and length of time it takes to process, it would give applicants ample opportunity to exploit such a law to have children while waiting for application to be processed only for them to receive automatic clearance once a child is born.

    We have enough issues that are not being dealt with that we can't afford to open the country up to free citizenship, we will go bust.


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    #75
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,358 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    It was well known at the time. Hospitals were being put under severe pressure. If you know anyone who had a kid in a public hospital around that time, they would tell you about being surrounded by beds of foreign women.


    It is also in the Department of Justice document someone posted earlier http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/information%20note.pdf/Files/information%20note.pdf . Paragraph 12

    I was too young to know much about it at the time I was just shocked by the 25% figure. Ide believe it in Dublin alright but surprised it says the national figure is similar which is interesting.


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    #76
    Varik
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    You've politicians and the always fun Immigrant Council of Ireland proposing punishments and party's restricting any member that brought up anything remotely anti immigration, it's not a topic they think should be allowed to be brought up. They don't even hide the fact that they think it'd win some votes and have support, they just don't want it allowed. The wrong kind of democracy.

    Labour or any others push this then it's not fringe anymore it's front and centre.


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    #77
    breezy1985
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    That is an excellent point Wibbs - white people going to a black county - evil nasty colonialism whilst black people coming into a white country - yay for diversity!!!

    There used to be a word when I was a wee one for treating people differently due to their colour....

    White people going to white countries can be colonialism to as us Irish should well know


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    #78
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,358 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    Another example of why Ireland needs a right leaning political party. The pendulum is swinging too far to the left and must be addressed.

    Jeysus lad don't worry I'm left and I can tell you there is nothing left wing about this country and won't be in my lifetime


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    #79
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    White people going to white countries can be colonialism to as us Irish should well know

    Dear God do we ever!!

    But the point still stands - the cognitive dissonance is strong!


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    #80
    biko
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Jeysus lad don't worry I'm left and I can tell you there is nothing left wing about this country and won't be in my lifetime
    There are plenty of left wing parties and even some extreme left parties.
    That said there are right wing and extreme right parties but they aren't in power.


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    #81
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,358 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    biko wrote: »
    There are plenty of left wing parties and even some extreme left parties.
    That said there are right wing and extreme right parties but they aren't in power.

    Who are the left and extreme left in your view?


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    #82
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Moderate left parties in power
    Sinn Fein
    Labour
    Social Democrats

    More extreme left, still in power
    Green Party
    PBP

    Are these not left in your opinion breezy1985? If not, where are they on the political compass in your opinion?


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    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    kildare lad wrote: »
    If my mam gives birth to me while they're on holidays in china , does that make me chinese ?

    If you're looking for the aul benefits ye wouldn't be going to China tbh

    They take a dim view of that sorta thing.


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    #84
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,358 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    biko wrote: »
    Moderate left parties in power
    Sinn Fein
    Labour
    Social Democrats

    More extreme left, still in power
    Green Party
    PBP

    Are these not left in your opinion breezy1985? If not, where are they on the political compass in your opinion?

    I agree they are all left with the exception of the Greens who are socially liberal but I wouldn't say the are left wing which is more an economic policy and I would not trust the greens to give one s*** about the working class

    But I don't think you have a clue what the term in power means. Do you mean they have a TD?


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    #85
    Geuze
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Jeysus lad don't worry I'm left and I can tell you there is nothing left wing about this country and won't be in my lifetime

    Ireland has moved left, politically.

    https://muellerstefan.net/papers/mueller_regan_irelandleftright.pdf


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    #86
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,066 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    biko wrote: »
    Moderate left parties in power
    Sinn Fein
    Labour
    Social Democrats

    More extreme left, still in power
    Green Party
    PBP

    Are these not left in your opinion breezy1985? If not, where are they on the political compass in your opinion?

    I would have put the GP in with SF / Lab / SocDems?

    Why call them extreme left?


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    #87
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭conorhal


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Labour still exist??

    They are right though, what this country needs is 1000's of underqualified people from incompatible cultures (Anti-woman and liberal values) who may not be able to speak the language competing with our already stretched working class in a job market which will be made even smaller by automation in the coming years.

    Geniuses!


    Yes, but Labour need voters!

    Like the Democrats in the States and Labour in the UK, if you can't get the natives to vote for you then you might was well import voters that will!


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    #88
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,027 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I was too young to know much about it at the time I was just shocked by the 25% figure. Ide believe it in Dublin alright but surprised it says the national figure is similar which is interesting.




    If you read that paragraph it goes on to explain that two-thirds of that figure were not then-current asylum seekers and many of those followed the pattern of arrival into the country just before birth.




    But even if you think about it for a minute: one-third of that 25% were from asylum seekers. So you are still talking about around 8% of all births at that time being to mothers who had entered the system to claim asylum status.


    In other words, 1-in-12 babies were being born to asylum seeking mothers. Another 2-in-12 were being born to non-nationals - many of whom were arriving in late pregnancy.


    That was why the change had to be made. It was an open door and easily open to abuse and word was spreading.


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    #89
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Geuze wrote: »
    I would have put the GP in with SF / Lab / SocDems?

    Why call them extreme left?
    Perhaps we can have a separate thread on that as it's offtopic for this one?


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    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,358 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Geuze wrote: »
    Ireland has moved left, politically.

    https://muellerstefan.net/papers/mueller_regan_irelandleftright.pdf

    Who is Stefan Muller ?


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    #91
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    But I don't think you have a clue what the term in power means. Do you mean they have a TD?
    Yes, a TD means influence. Influence means power.


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