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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #92
    deceit
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    You would expect with the IMF expecting the UK economy to grow after Brexit now (They were doom Sayers until it was a certainty then changed their tune) and with Germany expected to go into a recession this year (I live in Germany BTW), if this is correct the UK holds all the cards. You would expect Germany will struggle to cover the hole in EU funds after the UK leaves also, especially if its a hard Brexit.
    Germany narrowly missed a recession in 2019 which is why they've been trying hard to keep the UK in as they know how badly it will affect them.
    Germany's plan to import younger people from other countries didn't work as expected as they don't have the skills to work in most of the jobs in Germany which hurt their economy rather than helped.


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    #93
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Irishmale0399 wrote: »

    I have never said its straight forward but its you and the like have said for 4 years its the end of the world for UK and so far you have been very consistantly .....wrong........so work away. It gives you a hobby any way.


    Where have I been wrong?? I have consistantly asked the question....what do the UK have to take to the table when doing a trade deal with the EU?? How are they going to force the EUs hand??? What makes them think that they will have power in that meeting??



    Time for people to take the blinkers off and see it as it is. The UK have very little by way of production or services that the EU cannot provide for itself from within the EU. Add to that the number of British and Northern Ireland citizens who scrambled to get an Irish or other EU passport over the last 12-24 months and I think you will see a lot of people see the benifits of the EU.


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    #94
    Boredstiff666
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    deceit wrote: »
    You would expect with the IMF expecting the UK economy to grow after Brexit now (They were doom Sayers until it was a certainty then changed their tune) and with Germany expected to go into a recession this year (I live in Germany BTW), if this is correct the UK holds all the cards. You would expect Germany will struggle to cover the hole in EU funds after the UK leaves also, especially if its a hard Brexit.
    Germany narrowly missed a recession in 2019 which is why they've been trying hard to keep the UK in as they know how badly it will affect them.
    Germany's plan to import younger people from other countries didn't work as expected as they don't have the skills to work in most of the jobs in Germany which hurt their economy rather than helped.

    Together with all the cash which you will not get from the UK and believe it or the other EU countries like Ireland think you are going to pay for them.

    Together with Merkal and others making an arch enemy of the USA who will of course prefer to deal with the UK and are in the process of doing now.

    Together with you now have a unstable and very volatile powerful enemy on your front door all of your own making and there's nothing like an ex-wife for making your life hell.


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    #95
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Boredstiff666 wrote: »


    Where have I been wrong?? I have consistantly asked the question....what do the UK have to take to the table when doing a trade deal with the EU?? How are they going to force the EUs hand??? What makes them think that they will have power in that meeting??



    Time for people to take the blinkers off and see it as it is. The UK have very little by way of production or services that the EU cannot provide for itself from within the EU. Add to that the number of British and Northern Ireland citizens who scrambled to get an Irish or other EU passport over the last 12-24 months and I think you will see a lot of people see the benifits of the EU.

    Then you must be right then.........only i wont be taking any advice from you.


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    #96
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    1. Together with all the cash which you will not get from the UK and believe it or the other EU countries like Ireland think you are going to pay for them.

    2. Together with Merkal and others making an arch enemy of the USA who will of course prefer to deal with the UK and are in the process of doing now.

    3. Together with you now have a unstable and very volatile powerful enemy on your front door all of your own making and there's nothing like an ex-wife for making your life hell.


    1. Who will lose more?? UK or Europe??? Last time I looked it was the UK.


    2. You do realise Merkel is leaving her position?? You also realise it is highly likely she will be replaced by Friedrich Merz...a very American friendly investment fund manager.


    3. Its remains to be seem if the UK will be powerful.....could yet end up like the ex wife who cries her maintanance isnt enough to survive on and her looks are gone so she cant get the next fool to finance her. Gave the best years of her life to the wrong cause....


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    #97
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    Brexiters just as deluded as ever it seems. This is pathetic stuff.


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    #98
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    blinding wrote: »
    They think the Brits are thinking about them , when the Brits hardly know they exist !

    Why do you think that? Where are you from Blinding?
    The Irish know that the Brits are not that educated about Ireland. Half the time a lot of them couldn't tell you if Ireland was part of the UK or a seperate country.

    It's a common theme on this thread. The Brexiters seem to think that we care more about the UK than we do.

    We don't want the UK to leave because we know it'll affect Ireland hugely.
    We also don't get the UK media as much over here so we haven't been brainwashed against the EU for the last 40 years. We don't think the EU is perfect but no system is. We're just not stupid enough to throw out all of the good parts because we're not happy with 5% of it.


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    #99
    Boredstiff666
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Brexiters just as deluded as ever it seems. This is pathetic stuff.

    its got nowt to do with being a Brexiteer or being a remainer.

    Its got to do with what will happen afterwards. Which is basically unless there is a deal immediately you will find all hell will brak loose and at the same time there will be strong forces externally who will make sure a deal isnt done straight away because it will be to their advantage.

    Thats why the EU is so weak........got nowt to do with UK.


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    #100
    Boredstiff666
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    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    1. Who will lose more?? UK or Europe??? Last time I looked it was the UK.


    2. You do realise Merkel is leaving her position?? You also realise it is highly likely she will be replaced by Friedrich Merz...a very American friendly investment fund manager.


    3. Its remains to be seem if the UK will be powerful.....could yet end up like the ex wife who cries her maintanance isnt enough to survive on and her looks are gone so she cant get the next fool to finance her. Gave the best years of her life to the wrong cause....

    Right on brother your so correct in everything.


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    #101
    timetogo1
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    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    its got nowt to do with being a Brexiteer or being a remainer.

    Its got to do with what will happen afterwards. Which is basically unless there is a deal immediately you will find all hell will brak loose and at the same time there will be strong forces externally who will make sure a deal isnt done straight away because it will be to their advantage.

    Thats why the EU is so weak........got nowt to do with UK.

    There won't be a deal done quick - I agree, actually anybody with any sense agrees with that, it'd be a miracle for a trade deal sufficient for the UKs needs were done in the next few months. The EU has said this already. It shouldn't be thought of as a conspiracy.
    Look at the negotiation for the WA. That was meant to be the easy part. And it's nothing to do with "external forces". There are 27 countries that have to agree the deal. Many of them will have differing requirements.
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    Therefore the EU is weak.

    Can you fill in the gaps there?


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    #102
    Boredstiff666
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    timetogo1 wrote: »
    There won't be a deal done quick (I agree)
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    Therefore the EU is weak.

    Can you fill in the gaps there?


    Just sit back in your chair for a minute and just try and forget your anti-English or hate Brits stuff......Try and forget your Brexiteers are thicko's stuff........Try and forget the EU loves Ireland and Brussels is our saviour.

    Then just think who would want to deal with the UK and who would want to stop the EU and who would want to make money out of such a situation.

    So your argument is Big EU and tiny UK......but other external forces big and small are going to make sure that they can either win or get a big bite of the cherry.

    This can be speculators on the currency and stock exchange to countries big and small.

    It could turn it an all out fight to the death.

    Ireland will be on the sidelines chewing its fingers to the bone because it is powerless.


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    #103
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Why do you think that? Where are you from Blinding?
    The Irish know that the Brits are not that educated about Ireland. Half the time a lot of them couldn't tell you if Ireland was part of the UK or a seperate country.

    It's a common theme on this thread. The Brexiters seem to think that we care more about the UK than we do.

    We don't want the UK to leave because we know it'll affect Ireland hugely.
    We also don't get the UK media as much over here so we haven't been brainwashed against the EU for the last 40 years. We don't think the EU is perfect but no system is. We're just not stupid enough to throw out all of the good parts because we're not happy with 5% of it.
    As you have clearly said yourself, The vast majority of Brits care little about Ireland and know little about Ireland . Do you really think this vast majority give two jots what Irish people think of them leaving the Eu . They don’t care because Ireland is of no importance to them.

    If the Brits want to Democratically leave the Eu ( they do ) then thats their business . If the Republic of Ireland wants to stay in then thats their business. As you said Irish People are far more interested in the British re; Brexit than the other way around .

    Why would a much larger Country ( UK population ; 67 Million ) be worried about a tiny country especially in population (4.75 million ) and a foreign Country at that .

    Its like saying Leitrim has a big say in running the Republic of Ireland and with Leitrim being a foreign Country.

    I am 100% Irish but would have much much more dealings with Brits than your average Irish Person.

    The Brits are entitled to democratically leave the Eu if they choose to do so. This is the essence / reality of being a Sovereign Independent Country and a Nation State . They don’t give two jots whether you disagree with it or like it or dislike it. You are of no importance to them.


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    #104
    timetogo1
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    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Just sit back in your chair for a minute and just try and forget your anti-English or hate Brits stuff......Try and forget your Brexiteers are thicko's stuff........Try and forget the EU loves Ireland and Brussels is our saviour.

    Then just think who would want to deal with the UK and who would want to stop the EU and who would want to make money out of such a situation.

    So your argument is Big EU and tiny UK......but other external forces big and small are going to make sure that they can either win or get a big bite of the cherry.

    This can be speculators on the currency and stock exchange to countries big and small.

    It could turn it an all out fight to the death.

    Ireland will be on the sidelines chewing its fingers to the bone because it is powerless.

    Yes we know the US is going to screw the UK. Is this a surprise to you or a conspiracy. It's fking obvious.

    Why does it keep on coming back to the Brexiters think that the Irish love / hate the UK? You guys really need to get that chip off your shoulders.


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    #105
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    blinding wrote: »
    As you have clearly said yourself, The vast majority of Brits care little about Ireland and know little about Ireland . Do you really think this vast majority give two jots what Irish people think of them leaving the Eu . They don’t care because Ireland is of no importance to them.

    I agree with that (the rest was just rambling) So why are you on an Irish website defending Brexit? Is it OK with you if Irish people post on an Irish website about something thats going to affect us without us thinking we love or hate the Brits?


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    #106
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Yes we know the US is going to screw the UK. Is this a surprise to you or a conspiracy. It's fking obvious.

    Why does it keep on coming back to the Brexiters think that the Irish love / hate the UK? You guys really need to get that chip off your shoulders.
    You can do as you please. You are of no importance what so ever to the vast majority of Brits.


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    #107
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    blinding wrote: »
    You can do as you please. You are of no importance what so ever to the vast majority of Brits.

    You're repeating yourself now. And I've already said I agree with that point.
    It's you that keeps bringing it up.


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    #108
    [Deleted User]
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    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Yes we know the US is going to screw the UK. Is this a surprise to you or a conspiracy. It's fking obvious.

    Why does it keep on coming back to the Brexiters think that the Irish love / hate the UK? You guys really need to get that chip off your shoulders.

    Boardstiff, crypto and a few others are English people living in Ireland, but have no plans to move back there despite brexit being brilliant for the U.K., they would apparently prefer to stay here and give out about how the Irish government handled the negotiations etc. Take from this what you will, but avoiding answering some/most questions and contradicting themselves seems to be a common trait.


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    #109
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    I agree with that (the rest was just rambling) So why are you on an Irish website defending Brexit? Is it OK with you if Irish people post on an Irish website about something thats going to affect us without us thinking we love or hate the Brits?
    Because I believe in the Sovereign Independent Country and the Nation State. You cannot be this in the Eu . The whole idea of the Federal Eu is to destroy the Nation State and the Sovereign Independent Country.


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    #110
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    blinding wrote: »
    Because I believe in the Sovereign Independent Country and the Nation State. You cannot be this in the Eu . The whole idea of the Federal Eu is to destroy the Nation State and the Sovereign Independent Country.

    You make two points in this point, and both of them are wrong. :D


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    First Up
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    blinding wrote:
    Because I believe in the Sovereign Independent Country and the Nation State. You cannot be this in the Eu . The whole idea of the Federal Eu is to destroy the Nation State and the Sovereign Independent Country.

    Pure baloney, as even the briefest examination of the facts will quickly show but since when did facts have anything to do with Brexit?


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    #112
    Boredstiff666
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Boardstiff, crypto and a few others are English people living in Ireland, but have no plans to move back there despite brexit being brilliant for the U.K., they would apparently prefer to stay here and give out about how the Irish government handled the negotiations etc. Take from this what you will, but avoiding answering some/most questions and contradicting themselves seems to be a common trait.

    Maybe they can't for many reasons. If everybody could just up sticks on a whim they would be great but not good for Ireland as the last time they did there was plenty of Polish here to do jobs.

    Everybody is entitled to give out about any government . The fact that there were two clowns doing it really makes no difference as long as they cant do same again.

    Of course if you are trying to start a Brits out argument then thats ok it is an Irish country.


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    #113
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    blinding wrote: »
    As you have clearly said yourself, The vast majority of Brits care little about Ireland and know little about Ireland . Do you really think this vast majority give two jots what Irish people think of them leaving the Eu . They don’t care because Ireland is of no importance to them.

    If the Brits want to Democratically leave the Eu ( they do ) then thats their business . If the Republic of Ireland wants to stay in then thats their business. As you said Irish People are far more interested in the British re; Brexit than the other way around .

    Why would a much larger Country ( UK population ; 67 Million ) be worried about a tiny country especially in population (4.75 million ) and a foreign Country at that .

    Its like saying Leitrim has a big say in running the Republic of Ireland and with Leitrim being a foreign Country.

    I am 100% Irish but would have much much more dealings with Brits than your average Irish Person.

    The Brits are entitled to democratically leave the Eu if they choose to do so. This is the essence / reality of being a Sovereign Independent Country and a Nation State . They don’t give two jots whether you disagree with it or like it or dislike it. You are of no importance to them.

    And yet you fail to understand that this dynamic is also at play between the EU which has a population of 450 million and little Britain with its population of only 67 million.

    The UK is welcome to leave, it should have been gone nearly a year ago but kept asking to be allowed stay a little longer while they sorted out their political crisis.

    The EU is bored with the UK's political drama at this stage, the omnishambles used to be somewhat entertaining but the novelty has worn off. The UK will slowly be roasted in trade talks by the EU over the next few years but this will be of interest only to a few politicos and technocrats on the EU side. The people of the EU are already largely ignoring the foggy little island that used to be a member of the club but which now has little relevance to their lives.


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    #114
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Yes we know the US is going to screw the UK. Is this a surprise to you or a conspiracy. It's fking obvious.

    Why does it keep on coming back to the Brexiters think that the Irish love / hate the UK? You guys really need to get that chip off your shoulders.

    Because you did your I hate Brits again in your post.

    So as you say the US does a deal with the UK. In your eyes its not a deal its the Brits are getting screwed.


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    #115
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Because you did your I hate Brits again in your post.

    Can you quote where I did that? Or are you delusional?
    And really, don't do the usual of ignore the question that you guys like to do.
    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    So as you say the US does a deal with the UK. In your eyes its not a deal its the Brits are getting screwed.

    Thanks for telling me what I think. Very big of you.
    A bad deal is still a deal. One party is going to do better than the other. Out of the US and the UK which one is going to do better? This is bearing in mind that its Trump they'll be dealing with and he can't really do a deal unless he thinks he's shafting somebody.

    They're already threatening the UK over the digital taxes. Not a great start.


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    #116
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Because you did your I hate Brits again in your post.

    So as you say the US does a deal with the UK. In your eyes its not a deal its the Brits are getting screwed.

    What leverage does the UK have in dealing with the US? The US has Britain over a barrel and you are just hoping that Donald "America First" Trump goes easy.

    Perhaps the US will be kind, perhaps pigs will fly, but I don't see any reason at all to expect the US to be anything other than hardnosed negotiators who will exploit their advantage to get a good deal for America at Britains expence.


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    #117
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Can you quote where I did that? Or are you delusional?
    And really, don't do the usual of ignore the question that you guys like to do.



    Thanks for telling me what I think. Very big of you.
    A bad deal is still a deal. One party is going to do better than the other. Out of the US and the UK which one is going to do better? This is bearing in mind that its Trump they'll be dealing with and he can't really do a deal unless he thinks he's shafting somebody.

    They're already threatening the UK over the digital taxes. Not a great start.

    You just like me have no idea of what they are talking about. It is mostly secret at present.

    But you are so knowledgeable it is not a deal.........it is only a bad deal for the UK and the UK is getting screwed.

    You basically cant say anything good about the UK. You can only say bad things and you have no knowledge.

    There you go.


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    #118
    timetogo1
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    You just like me have no idea of what they are talking about. It is mostly secret at present.

    But you are so knowledgeable it is not a deal.........it is only a bad deal for the UK and the UK is getting screwed.

    You basically cant say anything good about the UK. You can only say bad things and you have no knowledge.

    There you go.

    You do know you're making stuff up don't you? (A common Brexiter trait).

    Where have I said anything bad about the Brits?
    I don't have much tolerance for Brexiters that make rubbish up alright. That does not equal all Brits.
    There are plenty of good things about the UK. This is a thread about Brexit.

    As for the deal I'm only going on common sense and a capability of looking at history. Something many Brexiters are lacking a bit of.

    Hopefully Trump does give the UK a good deal. I don't think so. There's a first time for everything I suppose.


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    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Maybe they can't for many reasons. If everybody could just up sticks on a whim they would be great but not good for Ireland as the last time they did there was plenty of Polish here to do jobs.

    Everybody is entitled to give out about any government . The fact that there were two clowns doing it really makes no difference as long as they cant do same again.

    Of course if you are trying to start a Brits out argument then thats ok it is an Irish country.

    As I started previously there are a good few English friends and acquaintances of mine planning to move over here or seriously considering it, those that are here have no plans to move back to the U.K.. But none of them are going on about how the Irish government treated the U.K. so badly in the negotiations etc.
    That's a big difference between arguing about two governments and having a hissy fit about the government of the country you are living in trying to negate the effects of your compatriots deciding to leave the E.U. and shows the mentality of most brexit supporters.

    If brexit is going to be so brilliant, there would be plenty of opportunities for someone, like yourself who feels that the Irish government treated the U.K. so badly in the negotiations to move back if you wished, however some of my English friends thinking of moving over here are on their second brexit related job loss, picking up sticks isn't a whim for them just necessity.

    Also there are still loads of Polish people living here, not that they have anything to do with your very weak argument.


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    #120
    RobMc59
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    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    What leverage does the UK have in dealing with the US? The US has Britain over a barrel and you are just hoping that Donald "America First" Trump goes easy.

    Perhaps the US will be kind, perhaps pigs will fly, but I don't see any reason at all to expect the US to be anything other than hardnosed negotiators who will exploit their advantage to get a good deal for America at Britains expence.

    The one thing the UK does have with the US over others is they are their closest ally.Trump for some reason seems to think Europe relies too much on the US defending them and won`t pay their way in regards to defence which is`nt the case with the UK.


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    #121
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    The one thing the UK does have with the US over others is they are their closest ally.Trump for some reason seems to think Europe relies too much on the US defending them and won`t pay their way in regards to defence which is`nt the case with the UK.

    In what sence is that leverage? Can the UK credibly suggest that in the absence of a favourable trade deal from the US they will distance themselves from the US alliance or slash their defence spending? I don't think they can. As such, those are benefits the US can safely pocket and effectivly ignore in trade talks.


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