JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

The Nal · 22-09-2019 10:36pm

This looks interesting. In The Texas Theatre too. Nice touch.

The world premier of the documentary entitled "Truth is the Only Client: The Official Investigation of the Murder of John F. Kennedy

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-09-2019 12:04am

The Nal wrote: »

This looks interesting. In The Texas Theatre too. Nice touch.

The world premier of the documentary entitled "Truth is the Only Client: The Official Investigation of the Murder of John F. Kennedy

Hoping they record it for Youtube?

The Nal · 23-09-2019 9:21am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Hoping they record it for Youtube?

Assume they will yeah but the documentary looks interesting if they dont

The Nal · 27-09-2019 3:03pm

3D interactive model of Dealey Plaza

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/jfk-22-nov-1963-6d7e22cb0968419482cfddc092c80e54

MonkieSocks · 03-10-2019 11:57pm

Don't forget the webcam from Book depository.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/texas/dallas/dealeyplaza/?cam=dealeyplaza

In cooperation with The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, EarthCam has placed a live HD streaming webcam in the southeast corner window of the sixth floor in the former Texas School Book Depository in Dallas.

This is the view from the window from which an assassin fired the shots that killed President John F. Kennedy and severely wounded Texas Governor John Connally as the presidential motorcade drove through Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.

The Sixth Floor Museum, located on the sixth and seventh floors of the building, explores President Kennedy's life, death and legacy.

The Nal · 22-11-2019 1:18pm

56 years ago today. Still not a sausage of evidence for anyone other than Oswald.

King Mob · 22-11-2019 1:44pm

The Nal wrote: »

56 years ago today. Still not a sausage of evidence for anyone other than Oswald.

I'm sure the truth is due out any day now.
Or maybe the next youtube documentary repeating them same debunked points will finally do it....

The Nal · 22-11-2019 1:50pm

King Mob wrote: »

I'm sure the truth is due out any day now.
Or maybe the next youtube documentary repeating them same debunked points will finally do it....

It gets more quiet with every passing year. Not a whole lot going on this year. Usually some crank comes out with a new theory, or a book to sell, or an article to read, or a documentary.

Fairly silent 56 years later.

King Mob · 22-11-2019 1:52pm

The Nal wrote: »

It gets more quiet with every passing year. Not a whole lot going on this year. Usually some crank comes out with a new theory, or a book to sell, or an article to read, or a documentary.

Fairly silent 56 years later.

I think it's just been out done by it's younger, sexier more marketable brother in 9/11 theories.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 10:39am

Oliver Stone making a documentary about it. Should be interesting. Love Stones work, even if its a bit off the wall at times. Still going on about Jim Garrison.

Talk about it from 40 mins ish

Good article here.

One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:01pm

The Nal wrote: »

Oliver Stone making a documentary about it. Should be interesting. Love Stones work, even

Good article here.

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He mentions here there is a lot of proof Oswald was a CIA agent. I think that's correct; you be moron to think he had no US intelligence. connections. Either way look forward to new JFK stuff to watch.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 1:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He mentions here there is a lot of proof Oswald was a CIA agent. I think that's correct; you be moron to think he had no US intelligence. connections. Either way look forward to new JFK stuff to watch.

Theres no proof. Not a shred of it. It all circumstantial/hearsay evidence unfortunately. Thats not proof. Interested to see if he comes up with anything new though.

Loved his Untold History of the United States series. Very talented film maker.

He gets a bit awkward with the Epstein stuff at the end mind you.

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:16pm

The Nal wrote: »

Theres no proof. Not a shred of it. It all circumstantial/hearsay evidence unfortunately. Thats not proof. Interested to see if he comes up with anything new though.

Loved his Untold History of the United States series. Very talented film maker.

He gets a bit awkward with the Epstein stuff at the end mind you.

James Wilcott, a CIA accountant, testified in front of the HSCA that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the Central Intelligence agency. He said people in the agency even confirmed this finding for him. The CIA likely destroyed all records now of Oswald employment. Make sense since he was travelling to the Soviet Union and then allowed to return and even provided money on his return by the US state department.

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:52pm

Nal have you read this document? Interesting read. CIA acknowledges here if its authentic Oswald was emotionally unstable in Russia. The leaked memo
however acknowledges he was sent to Russia on behave of the CIA. Says Oswald training started in 1957 and he had further training at Camp Peary site in 1958 and then was send to the Soviet Union in 1959.
https://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-memo-doc-bugged.pdf

CIA Director John McCone memo

At the time of the Dallas action, the Oswald subject was only seldom in our employ; after the Soviet
assignment, we found him to be unreliable and emotionally unstable. He was of little use to us after his
marriage and De Bruey, from what I understand, concurred in this. He was provided with a few
unimportant infiltration assignments and proved of little or no value. It is possible that Oswald, given his
instability, might have been involved in some operation involving Hoffa, as noted in SAIC Bertram's
report to your agency dated 1/3/64. Mr. Hoover advises that his agency is trying to determine whether
Hoffa might have been involved laterally or vertically with the Dallas assassination

Speculation within this agency and this is only speculation at this point -- is that Oswald subject
became unstable following surgery April 1, 1961, in the Minsk Hospital. He may have been chemically or
electronically "controlled"... a sleeper agent. Subject spent eleven days hospitalized for a "minor
ailment" which should have required no more than three days hospitalization at the most. Six days after
his release, he met Marina Prusakova. This agency is particularly interested in her intelligence
background and I have requested a report on same from our Soviet Embassy contact

After his return to the U.S., Oswald worked in New Orleans through the Anti-Communist League of the
Caribbean and Friends of Democratic Cuba; his case officer was SAIC Guy Bannister from the Chicago
F131 office. He was transferred from his assignments there after he was arrested and fined stemming
from an incident of his distribution of pamphlets for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. While our files
here show no further assignments or contact, I am requesting an (xx) check on the subject from our New
Orleans and Ft. Worth offices.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 2:39pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nal have you read this document?

Where did this come from?

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 3:58pm

The Nal wrote: »

Where did this come from?

The memo was authored by John McCone, then-director of the Central Intelligence Agency, to James J. Rowley, the chief of the Secret Service allegedly in 1964.

Stephen Jaffe letter was handed to this website/paper in 2017 and they printed the memo in PDF form with the memorandum

Stephen Jaffe worked for Jim Garrison in New Orleans during their investigation of the Kennedy assassination . How he got i not sure the paper doesn't say or detail much of the background hand off here.

seannash · 23-07-2020 4:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The memo was authored by John McCone, then-director of the Central Intelligence Agency, to James J. Rowley, the chief of the Secret Service allegedly in 1964.

Stephen Jaffe letter was handed to this website/paper in 2017 and they printed the memo in PDF form with the memorandum

Stephen Jaffe worked for Jim Garrison in New Orleans during their investigation of the Kennedy assassination . How he got i not sure the paper doesn't say or detail much of the background hand off here.

Wasn't that basically confirmed a forgery? The claim is made in this blog that its accepted as a forgery even among conspiracy theorists.

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

https://steemit.com/news/@garrickalder/garrick-alder-mccone-rowley-fake-memo-lee-harvey-oswald-published-02-july-2018

The Nal · 23-07-2020 5:24pm

Thought so

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 2:39am

seannash wrote: »

Wasn't that basically confirmed a forgery? The claim is made in this blog that its accepted as a forgery even among conspiracy theorists.

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

https://steemit.com/news/@garrickalder/garrick-alder-mccone-rowley-fake-memo-lee-harvey-oswald-published-02-july-2018

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

seannash · 24-07-2020 7:49am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Okay so what do you believe? Do you think it's real. What about the case number on it being from another case 4 months later or the font not matching?

No need to tell us what the document suggest, we have read it.
I gotta be honest, i dont think that the document being a forgery is in any doubt. Its okay to say you were wrong about this particular item of evidence. It doesn't throw your whole argument out the window if you do.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 9:32am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Its a fake document so all of the above is bollocks.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 1:00pm

seannash wrote: »

Okay so what do you believe? Do you think it's real. What about the case number on it being from another case 4 months later or the font not matching?

Very weak evidence to substantiate it was a forgery based on what I have read in the link you posted.

The principal Objection here is over the dates and the reference number on both documents is identical
There's a Secret Service Oswald file from June 10 had the same reference serial number.

The author believes someone erased the June 10 document information and made a new document with an earlier date in March and left the serial number therefore its a forgery?

This is hardly proof? The Secret service may have stored away Oswald related files/documents in a box/cabinet had the same serial reference number for 1964? We would need to know exactly how the Secret service stored their Oswald documents in 1964 to prove it was a forgery.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 1:46pm

seannash wrote: »

I gotta be honest, i dont think that the document being a forgery is in any doubt. Its okay to say you were wrong about this particular item of evidence. It doesn't throw your whole argument out the window if you do.

I don’t believe it matters here if this document real or not, there is enough of evidence Oswald worked for intelligence.

A marine. Stationed at a CIA base in Japan.
Used military radar to spy on the Soviet Union and allies.
Oswald watched U-2 flights over Russia. You only get access here to this program ie military intelligence training.
Decides to go to the Soviet Union. Allowed to even though he's a national security risk
U2 flight gets shot down in May 1960- Oswald who associated with the u-2 program still living in the Soviet union.
Returns to America and not even suspected by anyone in 1962. Fact we know the US state department gives him cash to help him get back on his feet is another interesting find.
Tells his country to go **** themselve is the official narrative and yet they help him on his return home and even got his Russia Wife through the border checks during the cold war? Sure nothing odd there.
Oswald friendship with George de Mohrenschildt make no sense all too. George hates Communists and would have no time for a guy who believed in such things. He is a White Russian and many in his family got killed by the Soviets. Why would would a Rich oil guy care about an ordinary Communist fella Like Oswald? The official history about Oswald is full of cracks.
We know some of the jobs got later are suspect.
When he is arrested- Oswald attempts to phone a intelligence office in Carolina and men in suits stop the call Oswald wanted to make.
Ruby a known gangster with mob connections just happens to kill Oswald before he could talk to the media.
Transcripts of what Oswald said to the cops in the Dallas Jail disappeared. No suspicious activity here sure?

The Nal · 24-07-2020 2:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Its a fake document so none of that matters. No, "many others in the same community" do not trust it is real. Because its not real.

Anyone can do it. See below.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We know some of the jobs got later are suspect.

No, we don't know that.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Returns to America and not even suspected by anyone in 1962

He had an open FBI file and an assigned FBI agent from the moment he got off the plane.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When he is arrested- Oswald attempts to phone a intelligence office in Carolina and men in suits stop the call Oswald wanted to make.

This is not true.

An alcoholic called John Hurt who was an intelligence offer in WW2 tried to call Oswald at the jail, operator at the police station wrote down the number. It was in incoming crank call. Confirmed by two conspiracy theorist authors who spoke to both Hurt and his wife after he died. Old news.

A nothing story. The rest of your post is waffle, all of which has been debunked many times over unfortunately.

57 years later now and still, not a shred of proof about a conspiracy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:05pm

The Nal wrote: »

This is not true.

An alcoholic called John Hurt who was an intelligence offer in WW2 tried to call Oswald at the jail, operator at the police station wrote down the number. It was in incoming crank call. Confirmed by two conspiracy theorist authors who spoke to both Hurt and his wife after he died. Old news.

A nothing story. The rest of your post is waffle, all of which has been debunked many times over unfortunately.

57 years later now and still, not a shred of proof about a conspiracy.

This is not true. The phone/switch operator Mrs. Treon confirmed it was Oswald, who tried to make the call and even swore this under oath.
John hurt version is make believe it not supported here by the people involved. Two other women in the room confirmed her version.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 3:12pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

This is not true. The phone/switch operator Mrs. Treon confirmed it was Oswald, who tried to make the call and even swore this under oath.
John hurt version is make believe it not supported here by the people involved. Two other women in the room confirmed her version.

Nope.

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

These are the sorts of stories that people desperately gravitate to when there isn't any other evidence. A phone call that didn't happen.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:34pm

The Nal wrote: »

Nope.

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

These are the sorts of stories that people desperately gravitate to when there isn't any other evidence. A phone call that didn't happen.

This is the proper story.
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk80.html

To begin with, let there be no doubt — Surell Brady and her investigative team for the HSCA believed in the legitimacy of Mrs. Treon's story, and therefore of the Raleigh Call. The section titled "Conclusion" in her Report makes it clear: "The information provided by Mrs. Treon, her daughter, and Louise Swinney all indicate that Oswald did in fact attempt to place a call from the Dallas City Hall Jail on the night of November 23, 1963."

Why would Mrs Treon lie about a phone call? How did she end up having his details then? Hurt story makes no sense here? Do you think she was working with Oswald to cover up something?

The Nal · 24-07-2020 3:45pm

If you bothered to read the very detailed and factual article I posted it would explain it.

Its a nothing story.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:58pm

The Nal wrote: »

If you bothered to read the very detailed and factual article I posted it would explain it.

Its a nothing story.

Your article nonsense.
John Hurt claim is he was drunk ( done as a prank) telephoned the Dallas police station. Is he five years old?
All records show it and even your article admits this- Swinney was the supervisor and Alveeta Cave Treon worked that night
You're basically saying here is Mr Treon and Swinney lied about the calls Oswald made here and you sided with the intelligence officer version?
There no reason Mrs Treon would lie, the other guy has many reasons, to cover his ass.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 4:02pm

A Phone Call that Links Oswald to Military Intelligence?

JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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