Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

budhabob · 09-11-2019 2:56pm

Looking forward to today's game, first game I've been able to get to in too long.

Looks a cold crisp evening for it, happy days.

thomond2006 · 11-11-2019 6:34pm

On the injury front, Dave Kilcoyne sustained a calf injury in training last week and will undergo rehabilitation with the medical department.

JJ Hanrahan was removed from the weekend’s game with a suspected hamstring injury and will undergo a scan this evening to determine the extent of the injury.

Chris Cloete failed a HIA during the Ulster clash and will undergo the graded return to play protocols under the supervision of the medical department.

Alex Wootton and Craig Casey have returned to team training.

Continuing to rehab: Rhys Marshall (knee), Darren Sweetnam (hamstring), Joey Carbery (ankle), Ciaran Parker (calf).

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/11/11/squad-update-munster-prepare-for-champions-cup-action/

Possible team for Ospreys:
Cronin, Scannell, Ryan, Beirne, Kleyn, POM, JOD, Stander;
Murray, Bleyendaal, Earls, Scannell, Farrell, Conway, Haley

KOB, Loughman, Archer, Wycherley, TOD, Botha, Mathewson, Goggin

Injured: Marshall, Kilcoyne, Parker, Cloete (tbc), JJH (tbc), Carbery, Sweetnam

yerrahbah · 11-11-2019 8:24pm

Injury list is mounting already

yerrahbah · 12-11-2019 1:19am

Six rounds of PRO 14 played

Munster have used 42 players

With eight being involved in every game so far

Rory Scannell, Tyler Bleyendaal, JJ, Loughman, KO’B, Archer, JO’D and Botha.

In terms of minutes played

Rory Scannell is top with 440, JO’D with 414, S.Daly has 400, Haley has 385 and Botha with 356

16 different try scorers, eight forwards and eight backs

With Botha getting three, Alby getting three and Haley getting two.

Three yellow cards, one each for Haley, James Cronin and Rhys Marshall

Player Mins played
R.Scannell 440
JOD 414
S. Daly 400
Haley 385
Botha 356
Holland 336
JJH 309
Archer 305
Whycherley 291
KOB 290
Goggin 288
TB 260
TOD 258
Sweetnam 240
J Loughman 236
Alby M 229
C. Nash 175
J Cronin 171
Cloete 148
Darren O'Shea 130
Nick McC 124
R. Marshall 110
LOC 104
L. Coombes 97
N.Cronin 91
Knox 91
Holloway 89
S. Arnold 86
POM 80
Conway 80
C. Farrell 80
Stander 66
N. Scannell 66
JOS 66
J. Ryan 53
J. Kleyn 48
Wooton 40
G. Coombes 25
C. Murray 24
Oliver 22
Barron 19
C. Casey 12

Players yet to feature:
Beirne, Carbery, Earls, Killer, Sean O'Connor, Parker, Scott.

leakyboots · 12-11-2019 2:10am

Fair play for putting the work in for that!

Impressed by Haley this season, a lot more consistent. Good counter-attacker and he's very good in the air too (which you expect of a fullback anyway)

thomond2006 · 12-11-2019 1:43pm

Per Cian Tracey, Kilcoyne is out for a few weeks. Cloete is unavailable. JJ's scan showed no serious damage.

giveitholly · 12-11-2019 10:31pm

Anyone know a decent pub to watch the match in kinsale this saturday?

The Lost Sheep · 12-11-2019 10:42pm

giveitholly wrote: »

Anyone know a decent pub to watch the match in kinsale this saturday?

hamlets. Was there over summer and that place was alright.

Eod100 · 13-11-2019 2:03pm

Looking doubtful JJ will be right for Saturday then. https://mobile.twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1194600952143241216

Henry Ford III · 13-11-2019 2:36pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Looking doubtful JJ will be right for Saturday then. https://mobile.twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1194600952143241216

Who knows? Time will tell though.

p.s. Tyler will do ok at 10 if needs be.

phog · 13-11-2019 3:22pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Looking doubtful JJ will be right for Saturday then. https://mobile.twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1194600952143241216

I think he was always going to be doubtful for Saturday, here's hoping he's available for next week. As expected Healy is added to the Cup Squad.

Kirk Van Houten · 13-11-2019 3:46pm

Tyler was always going to be favourite to start at 10 if JJ didn't make it. Healy doesn't make any difference to that and he won't even make the 23 for the Ospreys game.
Healy is more an indication of how far away from returning Carbery actually is and that one or two more injuries at out half and inside centre and Munster are in real trouble.

bennyl10 · 13-11-2019 4:04pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Tyler was always going to be favourite to start at 10 if JJ didn't make it. Healy doesn't make any difference to that and he won't even make the 23 for the Ospreys game.
Healy is more an indication of how far away from returning Carbery actually is and that one or two more injuries at out half and inside centre and Munster are in real trouble.

We know Joey is out til approx Christmas. We’ve 4 HC game between now and then, we need OH cover for them anyway

Develd · 13-11-2019 4:06pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Tyler was always going to be favourite to start at 10 if JJ didn't make it. Healy doesn't make any difference to that and he won't even make the 23 for the Ospreys game.
Healy is more an indication of how far away from returning Carbery actually is and that one or two more injuries at out half and inside centre and Munster are in real trouble.

If Joey is that far away, why did Healy not replace him under the 5 players you are allowed to rotate due to the world cup?

aloooof · 13-11-2019 4:10pm

This weekend aside, it's a tough enough run of fixtures coming up:

Ospreys (a) - CC
Racing (h) - CC
Edinburgh (h) - Pro14
Saracens (h) - CC
Saracens (a) - CC
Connacht (a) - Pro14
Leinster (h) - Pro14
Ulster (a) - Pro14
Racing (a) - CC

A lot will depend on how strong a team Saracens decide to field. We'll have a fair idea of that come this weekend, at least.

We then have a run of games during the 6 Nations (including back to back home and away versus Benetton, weirdly) where I'd like to see the likes of Craig Casey get some starts.

Eod100 · 13-11-2019 4:32pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Tyler was always going to be favourite to start at 10 if JJ didn't make it. Healy doesn't make any difference to that and he won't even make the 23 for the Ospreys game.
Healy is more an indication of how far away from returning Carbery actually is and that one or two more injuries at out half and inside centre and Munster are in real trouble.

Who covers 10 from the bench? It has to be Tyler starting, there's nobody else if Carbery and JJ are injured.

jmn51927 · 13-11-2019 4:33pm

Think there’s a slight overreaction to Jj’s injury, Van Graan said he’s not out of this weekend and should be back for Racing. We’ll be grand with him and Tyler + the likes of Healy and Scannell who’re more than capable

aloooof · 13-11-2019 4:35pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Who covers 10 from the bench? It has to be Tyler starting, there's nobody else if Carbery and JJ are injured.

If it's not Healy, Scannell will cover 10 even if he starts, so we may not have a dedicated 10 on the bench.

We've been going with a 6/2 split of late as well, so it possibly makes it even less likely Healy will get on the bench.

Eod100 · 13-11-2019 4:36pm

aloooof wrote: »

This weekend aside, it's a tough enough run of fixtures coming up:

Ospreys (a) - CC
Racing (h) - CC
Edinburgh (h) - Pro14
Saracens (h) - CC
Saracens (a) - CC
Connacht (a) - Pro14
Leinster (h) - Pro14
Ulster (a) - Pro14
Racing (a) - CC

A lot will depend on how strong a team Saracens decide to field. We'll have a fair idea of that come this weekend, at least.

We then have a run of games during the 6 Nations (including back to back home and away versus Benetton, weirdly) where I'd like to see the likes of Craig Casey get some starts.

I think Saracens will field strongest team possible. Any talk otherwise is guff. They won it last year, might be best shot to qualify for CC next season.

thomond2006 · 13-11-2019 4:50pm

I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere but apparently the English internationals' club appearances are restricted this year in a deal between PRL and the RFU.

So if you're Saracens and you can only use your English internationals for certain games, you would have to use them in the Premiership.

molloyjh · 13-11-2019 5:05pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere but apparently the English internationals' club appearances are restricted this year in a deal between PRL and the RFU.

So if you're Saracens and you can only use your English internationals for certain games, you would have to use them in the Premiership.

McCall mentioned Billy V was limited to 30 games and hes played 10 already. Add 5 6Ns games and a couple of June games and that's reduced to 13 games for Saracens. To win the HEC would require another 7 or so games, meaning he'd only be available for several of the 18 remaining league games.

They might still be able to avoid relegation if they went that route. They need at least 55 points from 18 games. Let's say 60 to be safe. With internationals available for about half their remaining games. That's basically 12-15 wins. It would be tight, but doable. Whether they want to risk it is another story.

Kirk Van Houten · 13-11-2019 5:29pm

Develd wrote: »

If Joey is that far away, why did Healy not replace him under the 5 players you are allowed to rotate due to the world cup?

Those changes have to be done by today. They want Carbery in the squad for rounds 5 & 6 and if by any miracle he got back for game 3 or 4. Mathewson will be one change after the deadline with Casey replacing him most likely. Munster didn't want to take Carbery out in case they couldnt put him back in due to other injuries.

Develd · 13-11-2019 5:38pm

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Those changes have to be done by today. They want Carbery in the squad for rounds 5 & 6 and if by any miracle he got back for game 3 or 4. Mathewson will be one change after the deadline with Casey replacing him most likely. Munster didn't want to take Carbery out in case they couldnt put him back in due to other injuries.

The point if the world cup rotation players is they can be changed any time up to the knock out stage.

3.6 The registration of incoming Swap Players can be reversed before the deadline of midday (GMT) on Thursday 26 March 2020. Each player can only replace the player who was initially nominated as his Swap Player.

Cookiemunster · 13-11-2019 7:30pm

Develd wrote: »

The point if the world cup rotation players is they can be changed any time up to the knock out stage.

3.6 The registration of incoming Swap Players can be reversed before the deadline of midday (GMT) on Thursday 26 March 2020. Each player can only replace the player who was initially nominated as his Swap Player.

That's for the knock out stages. We want Carbery available for the pool games. During the pool phases you can only change 5 players. 3 must be front row and only one can be a non injured player.

Develd · 13-11-2019 7:45pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

That's for the knock out stages. We want Carbery available for the pool games. During the pool phases you can only change 5 players. 3 must be front row and only one can be a non injured player.

You need to read this.

3.5 To provide flexibility for clubs in light of Rugby World Cup 2019 and to cater for the possibility of long-term injuries sustained by players after the First Registration deadline but before Round 1, clubs may register up to five Swap Players on or before Wednesday 13 November 2019 to replace players previously registered by the club.

3.6 The registration of incoming Swap Players can be reversed before the deadline of midday (GMT) on Thursday 26 March 2020. Each player can only replace the player who was initially nominated as his Swap Player.

yerrahbah · 13-11-2019 9:52pm

https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1194718839189233667

Cookiemunster · 15-11-2019 12:53pm

Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Tyler Bleyendaal, Conor Murray; Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Billy Holland; Peter O’Mahony (C), Tommy O’Donnell, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, James Cronin, Stephen Archer, Tadhg Beirne, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, Sammy Arnold, Dan Goggin.
https://www.munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-ospreys-in-champions-cup/

Earls in for Coombs, Loughman in for Cronin and TOD in for Cloete. With Arnold and Goggin on the bench, Scannell is covering 10.

Brief_Lives · 15-11-2019 12:55pm

where Fineen? he's been playing well.

aloooof · 15-11-2019 12:56pm

Is Kilcoyne injured?

phog · 15-11-2019 12:57pm

aloooof wrote: »

Is Kilcoyne injured?

Yes, was listed as injured late last week or earlier this week

Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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