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Has PBP/Solidarity/RISE actually done anything?

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  • 05-04-2020 10:24am
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    Dorakman
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    They’re like that guy in class who keeps making fart sounds when people are trying to speak, not really bad natured, but immature and irritating. Outside of occasionally yelling into a megaphone, have they actually done anything, specifically for their communities?


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    walshb
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    Other than asking for money and more money for people, which is pretty ironic, considering they seem to be anti profit and anti money and anti wealth and anti anyone doing well for themselves; no, they’ve done nothing!!!


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    Salary Negotiator
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    Didn’t they lead the water charge protest?

    As much as I disagree with them they were successful at that.

    It’ll be interesting how the incoming government handle the impending recession and whether PBP etc can make further in-roads, because they were stagnating and another few years of growth (both of the economy and Sinn Fein) might have made them an irrelevance.


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    JohnnyFlash
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    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    Didn’t they lead the water charge protest?

    As much as I disagree with them they were successful at that.

    It’ll be interesting how the incoming government handle the impending recession and whether PBP etc can make further in-roads, because they were stagnating and another few years of growth (both of the economy and Sinn Fein) might have made them an irrelevance.

    Socialists protesting against water charges. Only in Ireland.


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    jimmyrustle
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    Loath as I am to give them credit for anything, I don't think the abortion referendum would have happened without Ruth Coppinger constantly moaning from the sidelines.

    Not that I'd be any sort of demented repealer by any means, but without them I doubt the vote would have happened.


    Aside from that, though they aren't remotely near power, establishment figures are in fear of the reaction from them and faux leftists like Labour when it comes to taking a strong stand on immigration etc.


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    Plumbthedepths
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Socialists protesting against water charges. Only in Ireland.

    Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?


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    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Could be wrong but aren't Socialists opposed to privatisation?

    Their campaign was against water CHARGES, Irish water is still working away and will be for the foreseeable future.

    And the campaign seems to have disappeared.


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    Peruvian Flake
    Site Banned Posts: 27 ✭Peruvian Flake


    Depends what you mean by anything.

    https://www.cym.ie/2020/03/23/sexual-abuse-in-your-party-an-open-letter-to-mick-barry-richard-boyd-barrett-gino-kenny-paul-murphy-brid-smith/


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    Their campaign was against water CHARGES, Irish water is still working away and will be for the foreseeable future.


    They were also against privatisation, who suggested they weren't working away. Are you creating a straw man?
    And the campaign seems to have disappeared.

    As have charges and the prospect of privatisation, kind of pointless having a campaign against a situation which is non existent, don't you think?


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    mynamejeff
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    Those groups aren't there to achieve anything .

    God forbid if they did they would have to stop protesting and do something approaching work

    they consist in the main of maladjusted individuals with few positive human features


    parasites feeding off the pain and suffering of others for their own enrichment ,

    then again that's most politicians


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    Loath as I am to give them credit for anything, I don't think the abortion referendum would have happened without Ruth Coppinger constantly moaning from the sidelines.

    Not that I'd be any sort of demented repealer by any means, but without them I doubt the vote would have happened.


    Aside from that, though they aren't remotely near power, establishment figures are in fear of the reaction from them and faux leftists like Labour when it comes to taking a strong stand on immigration etc.

    A progressive shift in ireland won that campaign , it was won despite the repeal jumper crowd and obp bot because of them , their divisive mud slinging, internet shaming and poster removing campaign rallied more fence sitters against the movement than for it. Im convinced that had they been excluded from the entire campaign that it would have even passed by a larger majority considering all of the mainstream rational parties were onboard with it.


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    Lonesomerhodes
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    Pied pipers for the unthinking working class.

    No answers for anything just a protest party that rabbit on about peace and equality yet and deeply intolerant of anyone with Christian or conservative values to such an extent they hound those folk out of their parties and political offshoots as happened in Galway.

    They are basically parties for people who cant or wont think.

    People before profit or Anti Austerity Alliance for example is a vacuous trite nice sounding thing but ultimately means nothing as why not call the party Free Everything for Everyone?.
    Same principal.
    Names that appeal to those who wont even look past a name. Says it all.

    The chopping and changing of names shows their flip flop attitude to anything. No conviction.

    Rise or Solidarity or people before profit or anti auterity alliance etc etc or whatever they call themselves tomorrow care not one jot about their party members.

    How about their millionaire mouthpiece Kieran Allen?.
    He can relate to unemployed young lads in Finglas eh!.

    Boyd Barrett Paul Murphy Ruth Coppinger Brid Smith etc ride the "protest party" gravy train forever knowing their followers will never question them as they laugh all the way to the bank.


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    jimmyrustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭jimmyrustle


    Peruvian Flake wrote: »
    Depends what you mean by anything.

    https://www.cym.ie/2020/03/23/sexual-abuse-in-your-party-an-open-letter-to-mick-barry-richard-boyd-barrett-gino-kenny-paul-murphy-brid-smith/

    The actual irony.

    The Connolly Youth Movement are likely the biggest bunch of sexual miscreants out there. An absolute comedy show of D4 tankies and other assorted unemployable losers.

    Their Holocaust revisionism inspired rewriting of communist China's role in our current disaster is hilarious reading. It is plainly obvious your man Alex isn't at all well upstairs.


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    Dorakman
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    The actual irony.

    The Connolly Youth Movement are likely the biggest bunch of sexual miscreants out there. An absolute comedy show of D4 tankies and other assorted unemployable losers.

    Their Holocaust revisionism inspired rewriting of communist China's role in our current disaster is hilarious reading. It is plainly obvious your man Alex isn't at all well upstairs.

    He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.


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    jimmyrustle
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    Dorakman wrote: »
    He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.

    Alex? Leave it out, violent against who exactly?

    For all his ACAB ranting he strikes me as someone who would be crying for their help at the first sign of trouble. An absolute wimp in real life I'd imagine.


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    Dorakman
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    Alex? Leave it out, violent against who exactly?

    For all his ACAB ranting he strikes me as someone who would be crying for their help at the first sign of trouble. An absolute wimp in real life I'd imagine.

    Just checked his Facebook. He posted a story about a Fine Gael member getting struck on the head with a hammer, and a bomb being left outside the meeting hall. He referred to this as “an excellent act” and suggested that someone should bash Eoin Murphy’s head in with a hammer.


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    Dorakman
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    Dorakman wrote: »
    He’s actually a violent thug, and has no qualms about admitting such. His entire attitude is based on “with us or against us”.

    He also referred to hanging Richard Branson as a beautiful idea.

    Perhaps he’s a pussy, but this type of ape-like thought process has now place in a civilised country.


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    jimmyrustle
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    He is a complete fantasist.

    He "worked" as an assistant to TD Joan Collins (probably involved trawling Facebook all day).

    That a man who routinely calls for the execution of everyone from the FG establishment to the lowliest civil servant* would be granted a Dail security clearance just shows how much of a threat the authorities deem this nerd to actually be.

    ": by civil servant I'd assume he means any Intreo officer who has cut his dole off in the past


    I don't know why but everyone in the CYM looks like they are in the latter stages of AIDS. Probably a lack of exposure to sunlight.


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    Topgear on Dave
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    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    How about their millionaire mouthpiece Kieran Allen?.
    He can relate to unemployed young lads in Finglas eh!.

    What's the story of that fella? I think I saw him on my telly box as a commentator during the election results but don't know much about him

    Is he another one coming from old money? Has he ever been a TD?


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    Lonesomerhodes
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    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    What's the story of that fella? I think I saw him on my telly box as a commentator during the election results but don't know much about him

    Is he another one coming from old money? Has he ever been a TD?

    Very wealthy lecturer author and hard marxist mouthpiece who was around with Socialist Workers Party before they morphed into people before profit or anti austerity alliance or Solidarity or one of the million other parties and alliances all came from Socialist workers party.

    Hes a marxist and in the background of influence with the left.

    A champagne socialist if you will


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    Dorakman
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    jimmyrustle wrote: »
    I don't know why but everyone in the CYM looks like they are in the latter stages of AIDS. Probably a lack of exposure to sunlight.

    Maybe they’re just used to the malnutrition of a communist diet?

    All joking aside though, they’re mainly made up of limp-wristed weaklings and runts who wouldn’t suckle. They expect everything to be handed to them, and hate the idea of someone doing better than them. They denigrate the go-getters of society as “bootlickers”, simply because they’ve had the foresight to get ahead. These people aren’t motivated by equality, they’re motivated by jealousy.


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    hatrickpatrick
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    mynamejeff wrote: »
    Parasites feeding off the pain and suffering of others for their own enrichment

    I had no idea the bulk of PBP members were landlords :eek: Have you a source for this?


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    jimmyrustle
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    Dorakman wrote: »
    Maybe they’re just used to the malnutrition of a communist diet?

    All joking aside though, they’re mainly made up of limp-wristed weaklings and runts who wouldn’t suckle. They expect everything to be handed to them, and hate the idea of someone doing better than them. They denigrate the go-getters of society as “bootlickers”, simply because they’ve had the foresight to get ahead. These people aren’t motivated by equality, they’re motivated by jealousy.

    Their revolutionary ambition is amazing. They seem genuinely convinced that they will one day lead a violent revolution that will overthrow the neolberal state and execute all cogs of the current and previous governments.

    The fact we live in an almost gun free society, the fact that the nearest we have had to revolutionary groups have been dissident republicans who haven't put the slightest dent in British rule in 26 years, and the fact that most CYM members would have been deemed unfit for conscription in their beloved USSR for various reasons relating to mental health and sexuality, and thus are wildly unfit for armed insurrection, seem to have escaped their attention. Seriously, take a look at a typical CYM member, then try to imagine them manning a helicopter gunship above Kabul in the mid 80's.

    They are by and large a gang of manically depressed emo rich kids, either unemployed or at most part time employed. Cults seem to have fallen largely out of the public consciousness in the last 20 years, they have been replaced with extremist mobs like this one.


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    Guy:Incognito
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    As have charges and the prospect of privatisation, kind of pointless having a campaign against a situation which is non existent, don't you think?

    But they were the only ones that said it would be privatised.

    Fairly handy when you can make up your own causes I suppose.


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    Lonesomerhodes
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I had no idea the bulk of PBP members were landlords :eek: Have you a source for this?

    No they are worse parasites.
    At Least landlords provide a roof ovef your head!.
    The leftie leaders promise jobs/homes/quote on quote "equality"/ free healthcare and endless other amounts of wonderful things they cant possibly provide while taking donations getting people to "volunteer" etc etc while the liks of Paul Murphy lord it up. Over €20,000 in expenses alone one calendat year!.

    The fact people havent seen through these leftie loola's swindle staggers me.

    I fell for it as a very young student went to some of their meetings (ie propaganda rallies ha) we all make mistakes but when I seen they ultimately were the go nowhere promise everything lot well to quote Johnny Bravo it "Grew very old very fast".
    I came to the age of reason and started to think for myself


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    But they were the only ones that said it would be privatised.

    Fairly handy when you can make up your own causes I suppose.

    Actually Fergus O'Dowd a former FG junior minister made privatisation claims of Irish Water in the Dail. A Google search will confirm this.


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    Lonesomerhodes
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Actually Fergus O'Dowd a former FG junior minister made privatisation claims of Irish Water in the Dail. A Google search will confirm this.

    A quango like Irish Water?. Who'd of thought eh!.


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    piplip87
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    Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

    Look at their manifesto for the last election..

    Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

    Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

    I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

    Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

    They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

    They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

    Basically they are Shinners without the RA


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    Lonesomerhodes
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    piplip87 wrote: »
    Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

    Look at their manifesto for the last election..

    Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

    Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

    I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

    Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

    They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

    They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

    Basically they are Shinners without the RA

    Good points.

    People say they were behind the water protests not true.
    Right to water was independent and other water protests organised by yellow vest movement and as lefties do get involved and take over and then let on they were responsible for the entire thing.

    Like a water protest and they take over with megaphones absolutely massive socialist/communist flags and banners and litter the place with tens of thousands flyers of socialist propaganda promising everything for nothing despite the protest having nothing to do with
    a) Socialism
    b) Party politics

    Its a well oiled machine.


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    Eric Cartman
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    Lonesomerhodes wrote: »
    Good points.

    People say they were behind the water protests not true.
    Right to water was independent and other water protests organised by yellow vest movement and as lefties do get involved and take over and then let on they were responsible for the entire thing.

    Like a water protest and they take over with megaphones absolutely massive socialist/communist flags and banners and litter the place with tens of thousands flyers of socialist propaganda promising everything for nothing despite the protest having nothing to do with
    a) Socialism
    b) Party politics

    Its a well oiled machine.

    Same with FG and labours same sex marriage campaign, FG and Labour's Repeal the 8th campaign. They show up with banners and pretend they started every movement.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Well aside from the fact they keep splitting, why do they split ? Is there more money to be gained from having three separate groups in the Dail.

    Look at their manifesto for the last election..

    Wanting to nationalise pharmaceutical companies set up here.

    Nationalise the banks, Insurance and Building companies.

    I remember at the time of the water protests they where there but always had a collection bucket with them.

    Then there was the Jobstown not guilty craic. Again massive fund raising effort yet all defenders got free legal aid ?

    They seem to want to represent the "permanent jobseekers, I remember they had on some piece of literature a few years ago that they would stop hassling the Unemployed to find work....

    They are a protest party, not serious about entering government, where anti EU but didn't want to be seen to side with the Tories so that stance has changed again......

    Basically they are Shinners without the RA

    Nationalist Dell was another suggestion from Coppinger.


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