The Chinese Big Lie

fryup wrote: »

out of interest...do you ever watch Serpentza youtube channel? if so what do think? is he accurate in his views on chinese society?

cryptocurrency wrote: »

CCP aside, their numbers are no different to other nations in the region which have got hold of it quick and fast. Look at Vietnam, Lao, Taiwan, Cambodia and Mongolia.
South Korea got hold of it quick.

Blaming China is now just a smoke screen to cover from the gross incompetance shown by the likes of France, UK, USA, Spain etc.. in dealing with this months after they knew. I can see through all that.

The numbers in China my need adjusting a little but the fact remains that it can't be far off. There is 2 Million expats in the country all with access to VPNs (VPNs in China are everywhere) so information can't really be surpressed and nothign really comes out. I was even talking on FB and other social media all the way through to people, some within 150km of Wuhan. None knew of anyone who died, not of the extensive expat community seemed to have died or their Chinese contacts. The virus can't have been trained to avoid the expats for fear of leaks.

Anyways, things seem to be opening back up and even bars open again and now the satellite images cleary show the pollution is back.

We are all watching the same news in Europe and America with horror but I see this more of a crisis of organisation, equipment, preperation and years of underfunded, underpaid, underappreciated health care systems.

Allowing the politicians to turn the focus away from this and back to China is a tactic to diminish them from responsibility and you'd be foolish to fall for it.

Plus the dog-whistling racism that is creeping out now in the most surprising of corners during this crisis shows that half of society is only a few lockdown days away from becoming the most odious of people.

It's been a great enlightener.

Yurt! wrote: »

The irony is many of the Chinese people abroad who hold this hardened attitudes to laowais expect and demand full access to our culture, economy and the fruits the societies we have built when they migrate abroad (even if it is temporary). I've met Chinese expats in Ireland, who have a rather serpentza attitude towards their host country when you go digging. Many of them would be in line for Irish citizenship, and I won't lie, I'd have my doubts about their fidelity to the state when it comes down to it. The Chinese government keeps the diaspora on a short leash and isn't afraid to weaponise them.

Points from the article wrote:

• For people who have family back in China, being identified as expressing views Beijing does not approve of can have significant consequences, these activists claim. People who live here can find it hard to get visas to visit family, they say. Family members back in China can be punished for what a family member has said here in Ireland, they claim. And people here temporarily fear the consequences for themselves once they return home.

• The Chinese man from the mainland, who supports the protesters in Hong Kong, believes the wider Chinese community in Ireland is also part of a monitoring network. “They have a lot of spies,” he says. Some spy because they are asked to, he says. Others do it because they love China and CCP. “They don’t see a difference between China and the party, but the party is very evil. It is a dictatorship.”

• The Chinese authorities use local Chinese-Irish associations and student groups, the activists claim. Such organisations have people from the CCP in them who keep an eye on everyone, they say. “That is how they manipulate people when they are outside China. It is not obvious. It’s sneaky.”
  
  Not all cross-cultural groups are invovled in this practice, of course, but one organisation about which there has been extensive controversy – and which has Irish branches – is the international network of the Chinese Students and Scholars Association (CSSA). Local CSSAs provide useful support to Chinese students and scholars studying and working outside China, but are also used by the CCP to promote and monitor loyalty, according to a report last year by the Washington DC-based US-China Economic and Security Review Commission.
  
  CSSAs “receive guidance from the CCP through Chinese embassies and consulates—governmental ties CSSAs frequently attempt to conceal—and are active in carrying out overseas Chinese work consistent with Beijing’s United Front strategy,” the report says.
  
  Authoritarian Advance, a report published last year by the Global Public Policy Institute in Berlin, gave details as to the European network of CSSAs. “The CSSAs report to Chinese embassies on Chinese students who take part in activities that are considered sensitive by the Chinese government”, the report says. “These students and their families at home can face retaliation in the form of threats from Chinese officials.”
  
  There are CSSA branches in UCD, NUI Galway, and DCU, and the Waterford Institute of Technology. The Irish website of the organisation is listed on the website of the Chinese embassy in Dublin. Efforts to contact the Irish association by email (its website lists no phone numbers) had received no response at the time of going to press.

“There’s definitely an irrational fear of China and all things Chinese”, she says. But, she qualifies: “to be worried about interference from the Chinese government on the areas that they don’t like people discussing, I have experienced it. It definitely happens. So that is not irrational.”
Jackson notes the “three Ts” that China is notoriously cagey about: the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, when many protesters were killed by Chinese authorities; the sovereignty of Tibet; and the status of Taiwan.
“Increasingly, they’re getting nervous about other things”, Jackson says. “The Chinese embassy tried to stop me giving a public lecture last year about the great famine of China, 1959 to 60. They had no right to do that. It was here on campus. So people have good reason to worry about pressure coming from Chinese authorities of various kinds.”