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    #812
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,153 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Comparing against one of worst countries in dealing with this pandemic is only fooling ourselves. Tests per million of population Ireland lags well behind many European countries. Some have over three times as many tested.

    We ran into two bottlenecks on testing, first as testing increased in other countries we seemed to have been dropped by foreign labs who seem to have taken up bigger contract's. We are setting up our own and will have the ability to do 4.5k tests/week within a week. However there is a world wide shortage of the reagent for the tests. We seemed to have sourced some material to make and are trying to get it made by a few chemical companies.

    It the same with the PPE we are competing against larger countries that are willing to take larger amounts of what every we require. It a bit like going into a miller and looking for 4 ton of ration today, and at the same time a feedlot owner arrives in looking for 400 ton and wants it all delivered within 48 hours and the miller has only two trucks guess who gets priority.

    The HSE, government and health officials are doing Trojan work but they are really up against it

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #813
    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Glimpse into why approval ratings of leaders improve during crisis no matter how terrible a job they do.

    Testing was the key weapon as seen in South Korea. By most metrics on worldometer, we're mid table. Not good enough.


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    #814
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭alps


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    We are setting up our own and will have the ability to do 4.5k tests/week within a week.

    Yawn.....



    It's too late.......too many got away....pointless now.......4,500 tests a day isn't enough now..


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    #815
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,153 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Glimpse into why approval ratings of leaders improve during crisis no matter how terrible a job they do.

    Testing was the key weapon as seen in South Korea. By most metrics on worldometer, we're mid table. Not good enough.

    So how would you have solved the problems. Because that is what the HSE management have to do. They had to ramp up ICU beds ventilator in particular. They have had to ramp up hospital beds for the surge that will come. Put a plan in place to manage the crisis. Slow down the spread of the disease so as to slow the surge and flatten the curve. They have had to put a testing plan place source PPE, put labs in place when there present plan changed as testing labs they seemed to have precured have abandoned them.

    The US literally hijacked french assignment of medical masks as it was on a runway to be loaded onto planes. It all very well to be critical if soldiers in the trenches, it only when you are there you can see the issues involved. We are dealing with an imperfect solution but while everything is not perfect those making the decisions are doing the best they can.

    It easy to be a hurler on the ditch

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #816
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,153 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    alps wrote: »
    Yawn.....



    It's too late.......too many got away....pointless now.......4,500 tests a day isn't enough now..

    And how would you have solved it. The HSE taught they had a plan on place to do 10k/week and it seemed to have been pulled from under there feet. This is literally a war and the best laid plans will have to be changed as you enter battle as they rarely survive contact with the enemy

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #817
    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    It's not literally a war. If it was and a gas attack was a threat, we would have gas masks. Like the British did for WW2. We wouldn't be lied to saying masks do nothing, because making and issuing masks would be too much like work.

    Please don't make this about the folks working looking after the patients. This is the people above them.


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    #818
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,133 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Glimpse into why approval ratings of leaders improve during crisis no matter how terrible a job they do.

    Testing was the key weapon as seen in South Korea. By most metrics on worldometer, we're mid table. Not good enough.
    For fooks sake are you for real.

    South Korea had to deal with the SARS CoV-1 outbreak and then again with MERS. They have previous experience and are well set up to respond.

    IMO it would be simular to us having to deal with FMD again. We've been down that road before and we know what we have to do to curtail the spread.
    Unfortunately in this case it isn't FMD.


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    #819
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,153 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Gillespy wrote: »
    It's not literally a war. If it was and a gas attack was a threat, we would have gas masks. Like the British did for WW2. We wouldn't be lied to saying masks do nothing, because making and issuing masks would be too much like work.

    Please don't make this about the folks working looking after the patients. This is the people above them.

    It is a war and for all the BS about gas masks if it was a war you would not be able to supply everyone with one in s little over 30 days.

    It BS about attacking people above them everybody is doing there best they are facing insurmountable challenges, and are doing the very best they can.

    It is WHO advice that masks are not the total answer. Social distancing and hand washing is much more important than masks.

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #820
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,133 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    alps wrote: »
    Yawn.....



    It's too late.......too many got away....pointless now.......4,500 tests a day isn't enough now..
    It's never too late to save a life.


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    #821
    Sacrolyte
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Well said bp. I hate that negative ****e in a crises like this.


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    #822
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,153 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Sacrolyte wrote: »
    Well said bp. I hate that negative ****e in a crises like this.

    People who always only see the problems never solve them

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #823
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,133 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    It is a war and for all the BS about gas masks if it was a war you would not be able to supply everyone with one in s little over 30 days.

    It BS about attacking people above them everybody is doing there best they are facing insurmountable challenges, and are doing the very best they can.

    It is WHO advice that masks are not the total answer. Social distancing and hand washing is much more important than masks.
    +1


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    #824
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    A worrying trend emerging in Asia is a resurgence of Covid when lock down measures are relaxed - this has been the case in Singapore, South Korea etc. recently


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    #825
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Reggie. wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1265235/Coronavirus-uk-news-boris-Johnson-china-compensation-fee-henry-Jackson-society

    Looks like china might be getting sued

    China needs to be kicked out of the WTO if it doesn't permanently shut down its wet markets and other sources of disease transmission arising from trade(much of it illegal) in wildlife products


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    #826
    carrollsno1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Glimpse into why approval ratings of leaders improve during crisis no matter how terrible a job they do.

    Testing was the key weapon as seen in South Korea. By most metrics on worldometer, we're mid table. Not good enough.

    ScoMo in Australia has the highest approval rating as Prime Minister in ten years, i reckon its due to the fact he told anyone on temporary visas to go home were mot supporting you.

    Better living everyone



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    #827
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    And how would you have solved it. The HSE taught they had a plan on place to do 10k/week and it seemed to have been pulled from under there feet. This is literally a war and the best laid plans will have to be changed as you enter battle as they rarely survive contact with the enemy

    They were too slow to get testing ramped up in the early stages before the first case was detected to be effective. At the start of march, Ireland and the UK had very similar per capita tests carried out. After that Ireland increased testing per capita faster than the UK.

    If there was no way for testing to have been greatly increased earlier, then mandatory self isolation should have been introduced straight away for anyone returning from a foreign trip. There was no other way that containment could have been achieved.

    It was known in January that a large portion of infected would have very mild to no symptoms. That was a guarantee that the virus would move in under the radar and as a result the testing criteria either had to be very loose or a large amount of samples from people meeting some but not all of the criteria would need to be taken if the virus was to be found at a very early stage.

    At this stage test numbers are a silly waving exercise, if they can pick up 40% of carriers, they're doing very well. The only way for previously undiscovered clusters to be found is if someone from a priority group gets symptoms.
    But in the future we'll be able to say how high our testing was per capita and we did our best. Not allowing for the fact that the horse had long since bolted when the majority of tests were carried out, we were merely chasing him around a field at that stage.

    It should be clear now that they didn't understand what they were dealing with in the early stages. If they had understood that the testing was in no way an accurate picture of the virus spread, they would not have been so vocal with their disapproval of nursing homes taking action.


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    #828
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,057 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Base price wrote: »
    It's never too late to save a life.



    You could be tested negative today and be infected tomorrow , that's probably why incoming doctors aren't being tested. waste of time.
    A doctor was interviewd last week that said he went straight to work and was checked twice a day for any change


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    #829
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375#

    Chinese testing is finding approximately 80% of new cases are asymptomatic


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    #830
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,057 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Base price wrote: »
    I was talking to my sister on the phone earlier and she told me about the BCG report. I was born in a nursing home and never received the vaccine :eek:

    BCG was done in most schools, not every child got that painful jab near the shoulder. they were tested for immunity first with a jab on the lower arm and if you didn't react you'd get the one that marked you for life.
    None of the farmers children in our school needed the second injection. drinking
    fresh milk obviously gave us the required immunity.


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    #831
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    carrollsno1 wrote: »
    ScoMo in Australia has the highest approval rating as Prime Minister in ten years, i reckon its due to the fact he told anyone on temporary visas to go home were mot supporting you.

    I’m not a fan of scomo he fùcked things up during the bushfires, but in many people’s eyes he could very well redeem himself during this clusterfùck plus more. He was honest from the very start said it was going take 6+ months and it was going be tough, where other leaders said yeah by Easter it be all good and dandy :rolleyes:

    Nothing to do with visas ...I used to be a temporary visa holder and now a citizen and my insight to be honest is the general public doesn’t really give a shít about Temporary visas holders they are just part life like mozzies.


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    #832
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭alps


    Base price wrote: »
    It's never too late to save a life.

    The testing as it stands, won't save lives. Social distancing, hygiene and medical care saves lives from here on.

    Testing as originally proclaimed, was a tactic to identify all positives, and track down the people that they could potentially contaminate. It was a plan, a tactic and a laudable and workable one, until either they overlooked, or lost out on delivery of vital pieces to that testing regime.

    The testing regime at present is about as useful as tail painting a quarter of your herd for the breeding season..


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    #833
    carrollsno1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    I’m not a fan of scomo he fùcked things up during the bushfires, but in many people’s eyes he could very well redeem himself during this clusterfùck plus more. He was honest from the very start said it was going take 6+ months and it was going be tough, where other leaders said yeah by Easter it be all good and dandy :rolleyes:

    Nothing to do with visas ...I used to be a temporary visa holder and now a citizen and my insight to be honest is the general public doesn’t really give a shít about Temporary visas holders they are just part life like mozzies.

    Could have definitley done better during the bushfires, however green party policies prevented winter burns for years which left a serious amount of fuel there just waiting to go up in flames.

    Better living everyone



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    #834
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson moved to intensive care in hospital after coronavirus symptoms worsen

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-in-hospital-after-coronavirus-symptoms-worsen-39108370.html


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    #835
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Reggie. wrote: »
    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson moved to intensive care in hospital after coronavirus symptoms worsen

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-in-hospital-after-coronavirus-symptoms-worsen-39108370.html

    A whole new reality setting in now. Nobody is immune to catching it.

    'The Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Galway, As they sailed beneath the Swastika to Spain'



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    #836
    I says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭I says


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    A whole new reality setting in now. Nobody is immune to catching it.

    Scary times


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    #837
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,474 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Bless him nobody knows what underlying conditions he has, never looks a hard healthy type at best of times.

    It’s hard not to think there’s a bit of karma with the whole herd immunity idiocy he kept up for two weeks while it was spreading everywhere. But still, hopefully he will recover quickly.


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    #838
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    UCC have developed a way around the reagent that there is a shortage of, by developing a lysis buffer.
    Not a pharma so don't know the technical of it. Sorry no link.


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    #839
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,079 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    _Brian wrote: »
    Bless him nobody knows what underlying conditions he has, never looks a hard healthy type at best of times.

    It’s hard not to think there’s a bit of karma with the whole herd immunity idiocy he kept up for two weeks while it was spreading everywhere. But still, hopefully he will recover quickly.
    Read somewhere else that he had asthma as a child


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    #840
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,927 ✭✭✭alps


    Looks like the Danish government has taken the decision to develop this virus at an appropriate rate, by opening up schools.

    Messaged by a distraught teacher there..


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    #841
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I'd say schools would be one of the slowest things to reopen here. Just an opinion that they are difficult to control, in terms of interaction. Could see various lines of business opening up gradually, building being an early one.


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