Dublin - BusConnects

Last Stop wrote: »

Pretty amateur mistake to make.

It's okay, we've all done it before, no need to blame yourself

MJohnston wrote: »

It's not the exact same colour as the cycle lane, you can see that at the bottom of my screenshot where it crosses the actual cycling lane:



It's also clearly not the size of a cycling lane. It's just a stroke on the fill around the Luas tracks. Poorly chosen colour perhaps, but pretty obvious when you're looking at the actual PDF.

Also, just logically speaking, why would they bother adding a cycle lane there in such a disruptive location when the same movements can be easily completed using the other cycle lanes?

It’s even less obvious when looking at the PDF at full scale. It’s almost identical in colour.
I obviously wasn’t the only one to assume it was a cycle lane either

Last Stop wrote: »

It’s even less obvious when looking at the PDF at full scale. It’s almost identical in colour.
I obviously wasn’t the only one to assume it was a cycle lane either

You really just can't hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong?

MJohnston wrote: »

You really just can't hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong?

people need to make more use of Boards' "ignore" function.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Interestingly the same coloured line appears on the other side of the Luas tracks as well, it just had a black line on top of it. Seems intentional rather than an error.

Yeah, intentional, but as I said, a poor colour choice, but otherwise very much obvious if you are looking at the real PDF and not just relying on third-hand screenshots.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I see that they are proposing to shift the Scherzer bridges either side and put a new full width road bridge in between.

they show a 2-way cycle lane all the way down to the Beckett bridge, but there's no way there's space for a cycle lane and footpath where the Dublin Docklands office building is.

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

That building is to be demolished to make way for the white water rafting course building which I assume will be a bit narrower. The road also looks like it will be a bit narrower.

The rafting centre is in Georges Dock, the Docklands office building is on the river side of the quays here: https://goo.gl/maps/a6LuCjLaN4c1s6id8

I haven't heard of any plans to demolish it though as the DDDA is long gone, I'm not sure what it's now used for (extra offices for the council I guess, and somewhere for kids to jump off into the river).

loyatemu wrote: »

The rafting centre is in Georges Dock, the Docklands office building is on the river side of the quays here: https://goo.gl/maps/a6LuCjLaN4c1s6id8

I haven't heard of any plans to demolish it though as the DDDA is long gone, I'm not sure what it's now used for (extra offices for the council I guess, and somewhere for kids to jump off into the river).

No the white water rafting centre plans include the demolition of those DDDA buildings, as seen here:

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've been reading the maps and the info and am a bit confused about the Oval junction, wonder if you know more.

Seems to me that there will a right turn bus only from R148 to the Old Lucan Road serving Stewarts and Palmerstown Village. There are currently no buses serving the village apart from the 18 which does not use R148 anyway. But I guess they are going to get maybe the local no.26 to serve the village or something.

It's not clear, but I am thinking the the current North side of the Oval/Applegreen/R148 junction will have buses turning left inbound onto the Chapelizod by pass.

I presume this means that car traffic will no longer be able to use the Northside of the junction if it is to be bus only. Can see Kennelsfort Junction rammed as a result, but hey ho.

This is the Lucan route 06.

At the R148 signalised junction with the Old Lucan Road/the Oval a new westbound, bus only, right turn lane is provided on the R148 to facilitate bus services serving Palmerstown Village. An additional strip of land acquisition will be required from the western edge of the petrol filling station at this location to accommodate this new bus movement which was not included in the EPR. In addition, new bus stops are provided on the Old Lucan Road to serve Mill Lane/Stewarts Hospital

Here's an image of the plan for the Oval junction:
No indication as to what bus will use the Village now but as you say, it would make sense for the 26 to now use this section of Mill Lane and continue through the village and turn left up the Kennelsfort Road (If it is to continue its current routing).

Always remember that the lands at the Kennelsfort junction exist as they do as a freeflow junction was accommodated for in its original construction.

spacetweek wrote: »

You could remove the trees.

still wouldn't be enough space but as others have pointed out that building is due to be replaced by a (presumably) narrower one.

William Legrande wrote: »

The new plans for Shankill don't look as vandalistic as before, at least at first sight.

they've basically given up on any bus or cycle priority in Shankill Village. On street parking remains though.

tom1ie wrote: »

One question I have about these orbitals:
Will there be continuous bus lanes/ bus priority on these routes and if so how long before this infrastructure is in place to service the new orbitals.
Thanks.

Apologies only seen the mid note after I posted.
Off to the bus connects forum with me!!

To answer this question posted in the Metrolink thread, at the moment the only infrastructure planned is on the radial routes to/from the city centre.

Any infrastructure on the orbital routes will follow after the radial routes are completed.

To be fair some of the roads served by the planned outer orbital routes do already have some bus priority measures in place, but on many of the inner routes, the notion of continuous bus lanes is fanciful to say the least given the lack of available space.

While the delivery of the additional orbital routes is long overdue, I’d have serious concerns about how effective the likes of the O, S2 and S4 can be if they’re likely to be snarled up in the diverted traffic from the radial corridors, given that those routes are significantly down the pecking order for bus priority infrastructure.