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Woman Loses Job for Holding Gender Critical Opinions.

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  • #122
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,988 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    It's none of our business grand. Remember that boys and girls if the day ever comes and the country is asked to vote on any trans related issues.

    Are there any in the constitution?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    How Soon Is Now wrote:
    It's none of our business grand. Remember that boys and girls if the day ever comes and the country is asked to vote on any trans related issues.

    It's none of your business unless you comply.


  • #124
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,079 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Are there any in the constitution?

    Who knows what the future holds.


  • #125
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,988 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    Who knows what the future holds.

    Doesn't answer the question.

    How, exactly, is it your business? Or the State's business to such an extent that a referendum would be needed??

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #126
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Danzy wrote: »
    A blog that is not known outside of South Dublin cafes is hardly representative of Irish women.

    Maybe of a slice of Middle and Upper Class Irish women and even a few working class ones but it is a niche site.

    The 1200 women who signed that open letter are representative though. In expressing the views in that letter they represent themselves, they represent their friends, colleagues, peers and the organisations they work for and volunteer for who share their views.

    Compared to the UK Ireland has relatively little trans exclusionary radical feminists. The reality is a large amount of Irish cis women reject trans exclusionary radical feminist ideology.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #127
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,079 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Doesn't answer the question.

    How, exactly, is it your business? Or the State's business to such an extent that a referendum would be needed??

    You could say the same for any referendums when they only affect certain people in the overall population. Yet when these come up the group is asking for everyone's help.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »

    How many genders are there?

    Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

    I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.


  • #129
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Pappa Dolla wrote: »
    Question everything, but be prepared for the consequences.
    Just don't be a whingebag, "waah, I wanna say whatever I want and have no repurcussions".

    The world does not and never has worked like that.


    And what do you think should be the proportionate consequence?

    Should she just suffer an inability to earn a living for her opinion or should she be sent somewhere for re-education perhaps? (that's been a traditional consequence of 'wrong think' in autocratic societies.)
    Should she also be refused access to housing, public transport and social services as you might well be under something like China's social credit system?

    You're a gulag fan.

    All the left appear to have learned from the McCarthy era is how to most effectively silence dissent.


  • #130
    ogsjw
    Site Banned Posts: 328 ✭✭ogsjw


    The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.


  • #131
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭conorhal


    ogsjw wrote: »
    The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.


    You could say the same about a workplace that fires you for writing an article about the importance of unions too.


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  • #132
    jaxxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Most intelligent form of life on Earth my h*le.... Asteroid? Ice age? Aliens? Robots? SOMETHING? Please? Literally anything would be better.....

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  • #133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    ogsjw wrote:
    The more I think about it, I think it could definitely be argued that firing someone is an expression of free speech in this particular case. They're making their company's mission statement and expectations of setting a particular workplace environment very clear.

    I suppose you would be as accepting if someone fired a trans person if their expectations of the work place that a man is a man and a woman is a woman?

    Expression of free speech for both ways


  • #134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    jaxxx wrote:
    Most intelligent form of life on Earth my h*le.... Asteroid? Ice age? Aliens? Robots? SOMETHING? Please? Literally anything would be better.....

    I identify as an alien.


  • #135
    jaxxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I identify as an alien.


    You and me both.


  • #136
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,988 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    You could say the same for any referendums when they only affect certain people in the overall population. Yet when these come up the group is asking for everyone's help.

    For the second time, this avoids the question completely. It's nothing to do with you or the State and the fact that you can't think of a single incident in which it would proves my point.

    What - exactly - are you worried about? And if you're NOT worried, why do you care?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #137
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    budgese wrote: »
    Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

    I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.

    XXY is Kleinfelters and are male. X, or XO is turners and is female.
    Both are considered intersex conditions.


  • #138
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭conorhal


    budgese wrote: »
    Straight off I can think of four; XX and XY biological females and males, then you have XXY females (Turner's Syndrome I think) and XX males, these people are not intersex but have genders that not typical perhaps.

    I don't know anything about intersex people but the different combinations of X and Y chromosomes cast a different light on this idea of two clearly defined genders alone.


    A genetic disorder really doesn't 'redefine the binary nature of gender' any more then being trisomy 21 (suffering from Down's syndrome as a consequence of having an extra chromosome 21) calls into question whether or not you're classed as human or not.


  • #139
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Pappa Dolla wrote: »
    I just never get why non trans people get so up in arms about it anyway.

    It's literally none of your business. If Bob wants to be called Shirley and be referred to as her, why is that so hard to get? What difference would it make to your life? You've learned many things, how to walk, a language, drive etc. Far harder things than remembering Bob is now Shirley and would prefer you to call her, "her".

    This is not what is at issue.

    Your argument falls under Straw Man fallacy by making the problem seem to be about something else - trivial - that is not at all the problem.

    It falls under the False Dichotomy argument by over-simplifying the issues, making out there are only a limited number of things at stake or a limited number of ways of looking at those issues.

    It falls under the Red Herring fallacy because it diverts the argument to things that are not the issue.

    It even falls under the Appeal to Pity fallacy by making out that people are either stupid or monstrous if they question this gender ideology in any way.

    Mr Parrot and to a lesser extent yourself also use the Bandwagon Fallacy as if all the other fallacies are not enough.

    The issue is not about Bob being called Shirley. You know this.


  • #140
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I suppose you would be as accepting if someone fired a trans person if their expectations of the work place that a man is a man and a woman is a woman?

    Expression of free speech for both ways

    That would be discrimination and it is enshrined in law.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #141
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    For the second time, this avoids the question completely. It's nothing to do with you or the State and the fact that you can't think of a single incident in which it would proves my point.

    What - exactly - are you worried about? And if you're NOT worried, why do you care?


    Of course it’s everybody's business. Here a 16year old cis gender high school athlete who is certainly affected by it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsejTFZQ7k


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  • #142
    Candamir
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Candamir


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Just say no.

    So no opinion on lesbians being bullied and called TERFs and transphobes, based solely on their sexual orientation and preferences, by some in the transgender community? Nobody seems to want to condemn that as bullying.


  • #143
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Zorya wrote: »

    Mr Parrot and to a lesser extent yourself also use the Bandwagon Fallacy as if all the other fallacies are not enough.

    :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

    All the anti LGBT bandwagonning going on around here lately and you come out with this.

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #144
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    That would be discrimination and it is enshrined in law.

    Hopefully Ms Forstater will also get the ruling that it is discrimination and against the Equality Act of 2010 to be fired for having scientific opinions about the material reality of people's biological sex.


  • #145
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,764 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Zorya wrote: »
    Hopefully Ms Forstater will also get the ruling that it is discrimination and against the Equality Act of 2010 to be fired for having scientific opinions about the material reality of people's biological sex.

    How is it discrimination?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #146
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    No company should be obliged to continue employing someone they feel represents them publicly in a negative light.


  • #147
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    conorhal wrote: »
    A genetic disorder really doesn't 'redefine the binary nature of gender' any more then being trisomy 21 (suffering from Down's syndrome as a consequence of having an extra chromosome 21) calls into question whether or not you're classed as human or not.

    So.... Intersex people are what? An inconvenience?


  • #148
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,988 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Candamir wrote: »
    Of course it’s everybody's business. Here a 16year old cis gender high school athlete who is certainly affected by it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsejTFZQ7k

    That's "everybody's business"? To the extent that the poster was worried about a referendum being called?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #149
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    How is it discrimination?

    It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.


  • #150
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Zorya wrote: »
    It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.

    That's not a right companies are required to uphold; companies are obligated to protect their reputation.


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  • #151
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭Augme


    Zorya wrote: »
    It is discrimination against someone's right to have a political opinion that is backed by science regarding the ''material reality'' of sex.

    Since when has policital opinion been covered under the equality act?


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