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Las Vegas Shooting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Right but does that address the issue of the audio and video being in sync? Throughout the video. Do you believe that the time it takes for the first pop to be heard and then displayed in the video would correspond with the video being in sync based on the observations I made for you claim that they could be unreliable.

    Edit: short clip of the extended version taken down off youtube.

    I already made the observation, maybe just read the whole thing

    The Audio to video sync can be unreliable but it does appear like the blinking started a good 1 to 2 seconds before we hear the noise.

    As an engineer I have worked on data compression and streaming software in the past I know all to well the issues around synchronization of the video and audio feeds, but even with that said I acknowledge there seems to be a real gap of 2 seconds between the blink and the pop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,765 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I make no assertions I just ask the question around the footage.

    The issue is that you don't seem to like the answers or explanations you are receiving

    Even Snopes has had to put something up
    http://www.snopes.com/second-gunman-shoot-fourth-floor-mandalay-bay/

    "There is no evidence to support the claim that there were multiple shooters or that those shooters’ muzzle flashes could be seen from the fourth floor of the resort. "

    You on the other hand I think have watched too many episodes of CSI.

    No, just spent far too much time on conspiracy theory forums


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    I already made the observation, maybe just read the whole thing

    The Audio to video sync can be unreliable but it does appear like the blinking started a good 1 to 2 seconds before we hear the noise.

    As an engineer I have worked on data compression and streaming software in the past I know all to well the issues around synchronization of the video and audio feeds, but even with that said I acknowledge there seems to be a real gap of 2 seconds between the blink and the pop.

    No, I was the one who made the observation which you then replied to.
    The biggest issue with any of this is the device it is being recorded on.
    The Audio to video sync can be unreliable but it does appear like the blinking started a good 1 to 2 seconds before we hear the noise.

    I then went on to add. Which you have seemed to have not answered again!

    Well it's a mobile upload. So it most likely got uploaded to youtube from the mobile so from the source. There is multiple examples in the video that the audio and video are in sync.

    3.58 the car goes over a bump which can be seen and heard in sync!
    4.28 the window goes down the sound is in sync as is the timing of the taxi drivers dialogue with people standing outside the hotel
    4.56 the taxi driver pans the camera towards the building and notices the flash and says "oh ****" that dialogue is boxy sounding meaning that the space between the window and the mic on the phone has a shorter distance to travel so is having what they call in acoustics proximity effect. Also in sync Most importantly!
    5.18 Just after the taxi driver sh1tes herself the car goes over another bump. Both audible and in sync!
    Troughout the engine acceleration noises. In sync! Car door being shut by taxi driver 18.18

    Video is perfectly in sync.

    ↑↑ this is what may previous question is based on so yet again - does that address the issue of the audio and video being in sync? Throughout the video. Do you believe that the time it takes for the first pop to be heard and then displayed in the video would correspond with the video being in sync based on the observations I made for your claim that they could be unreliable.

    I'm not asking about the first pop you hear approximately 2.5 seconds after the flash I already know how long it takes. Its a simple question have I just proven that the video is in sync with the audio?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,587 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    With the flashing from the 10th floor in the above video the flash starts approximately 2.5 seconds before you hear the sound of gun fire, that's being associated, with the flash from the muzzle of an assault riffle. Now lets just do the maths on that -

    The speed of sound is 331.2 metres per second
    Without knowing what the exact gun being fired was. Lets assume it was a modern high performance AR 1200/ms

    The building height to the roof is 146.31m
    The building has 43 floors

    146/43=3.4m per floor (not taken the roof into account)
    3.4 meters x 4 (4th floor) = 13.6 meters
    3.4m x 10 = 34m
    3.4 x 32 = 108m

    Time = Distance ÷ Speed

    2.5 seconds is what we want to be seeing for either the 10th or 4th floors as the flash was on the lower floors no where near the broken windows then that does not matter!

    xTime = 34m (10th floor) ÷ 1200m/s = 0.02
    xTime = 108m (32nd floor) ÷ 1200m/s = 0.09
    xTime = 13.6 (4th floor) ÷ 1200m/s = 0.0011

    Now either the laws of physics have been broken here or the flash was not from a gun!

    Now just to give you some perspective it would take .44 seconds for any normal sound to travel to the ground from the roof and 0.12 seconds that's 12ms for an AR.


    Science B1tch
    I stopwatched it at roughly 1.5 seconds, from my phone, not very precise, but eh.

    I'm not sure why you calculated the muzzle velocity of the bullet, since its not that relevant to when you hear the sound from the bullet (which happens at the muzzle, where it breaks the sound barrier, the bullet in travel does not continue producing noise)

    So for a height of about 30m, did you also account for the distance from the road? Must apply some trigonometry here. The driver was about 350-400ft away, for conservative values lets call it 400ft or 120m, so if the shooter was at 30m up, the true distance for sound travel would have been 124m, roughly.

    124m / 340 m/s = 0.365 seconds.

    So, your math was wrong.

    Not saying I'm arguing still that there might have been a 4th floor shooter, but wanted to point out this bad math. It bothered me :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Overheal wrote: »
    I stopwatched it at roughly 1.5 seconds, from my phone, not very precise, but eh.

    I'm not sure why you calculated the muzzle velocity of the bullet, since its not that relevant to when you hear the sound from the bullet (which happens at the muzzle, where it breaks the sound barrier, the bullet in travel does not continue producing noise)

    So for a height of about 30m, did you also account for the distance from the road? Must apply some trigonometry here. The driver was about 350-400ft away, for conservative values lets call it 400ft or 120m, so if the shooter was at 30m up, the true distance for sound travel would have been 124m, roughly.

    124m / 340 m/s = 0.365 seconds.

    So, your math was wrong.

    Not saying I'm arguing still that there might have been a 4th floor shooter, but wanted to point out this bad math. It bothered me :)


    I realise that and I was just not arsed doing it. I didn't take into account the speed of light either or the shutter speed of the camera or how fast the car was travelling or the temperature of the air. Its a rough calculation, approximated, based on a straight line of sight from the foot of the building to the floors. But still the time it should have taken to hear the shots and the corresponding "muzzle flash" is way off.

    It is negligible the distance from the building the car is away anyway because its such a short distance and even with your approximation it does not come close to the generous 1.5 seconds and velocity. AR rounds would be supersonic that is why their muzzle flash is so noticeable and the sound is so loud. Even if you do the calculation for the normal speed of sound it is way off.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,587 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Again, the bullets could be Mach 1.7 but the sound they make would still travel at the same speed. That's my point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Overheal wrote: »
    Again, the bullets could be Mach 1.7 but the sound they make would still travel at the same speed. That's my point.

    Alright Maybe so, you're saying that the muzzle flash from any gun will always be the same speed right? I'm no gun expert so you might be right. Taking the new speed of 331.2m/s, the speed of sound, does that make the flash from the window and the first pop from the gun equal to the corresponding approximate distance the car was away from the flash using the time it took for you to see the flashing and your finger to hit the button on the stopwatch?

    Take the speed of sound 331.2 and the time 1.5 multiply them and that is how far the vehicle was away from the flash. 496.8 meters (.49km) did the vehicle look like it was that far away? (340x1.5=510)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 Lickin2me


    What do stupid yanks expect. Handing out high powered automtic guns. Obvious some nut will always go crazy. They need stop allowing people have these weapons. Why would a perdon actually need them. Ok have one gun hand gun but thats it. Stupid yanks. Would nearly guarntee there is other nuts waiting and planning to copycat the evil bastard


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Are there any pictures of broken windows on the fourth floor? I thought high rise hotel room windows do not open at all. There are big holes in the windows of Paddocks room.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Panrich wrote: »
    Are there any pictures of broken windows on the fourth floor? I thought high rise hotel room windows do not open at all. There are big holes in the windows of Paddocks room.

    Don't be coming in here making sense and asking proper questions! I tried it yesterday and of course, got no answer.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Panrich wrote: »
    Are there any pictures of broken windows on the fourth floor? I thought high rise hotel room windows do not open at all. There are big holes in the windows of Paddocks room.
    There are no such pictures.
    It's been suggested that those windows might be the kind that open in a desperate attempt to preserve the conspiracy theory, but it's pretty clear that they could not.

    If the windows had been broken at some point, there'd be either pictures of it and conspiracy theorists would be pointing to it vigorously.

    The best they have is a flashing light and nothing else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    You have to laugh at the attempts at deflection , false flag nonsense , conspiracy theories , all along the lines of Aliens in Are 54 and Elvis is walking around Las Vegas

    everything except the reality, either gun control works or the US has a far higher proportion of crazy mass killers


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    Sherrif of Las Vegas is a conspiracy theorist to

    During his press conference he said it was hard to believe there was only one shooter

    The world has gone mad :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    weisses wrote: »
    Sherrif of Las Vegas is a conspiracy theorist to

    During his press conference he said it was hard to believe there was only one shooter

    The world has gone mad :rolleyes:
    This is a dishonest twisting of his words.

    He did not say there was more than one shooter.
    He did not say anything about supporting the silly nonsensical conspiracy theories.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Boards 101 - Let's make an argument against a position no one has taken.
    It is easy to win an argument you have made up entirely in your own head!

    - The Sage has spoken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭chewed


    Some interesting points raised here


  • Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭murphthesmurf


    chewed wrote: »
    Some interesting points raised here

    No, there isn't. Just some desperate conspiracy theorist trying to create something out of nothing. Haven't you read the other comments here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭WMP


    Can anyone link to a video or photo backing up the official story? I haven't found any evidence despite looking. That can't be possible. It does not look like a place that was torn to pieces by machine gun fire. I don't get it. When the shooting starts it should be possible (from someones camera) to see the area being sprayed with bullets. All I can see are people with what look like minor injuries from the stampede. I cant even imagine how horrific a scene with 59 bullet riddled bodies must look like, and how there is zero footage of this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭chewed


    No, there isn't. Just some desperate conspiracy theorist trying to create something out of nothing. Haven't you read the other comments here?

    OK, so I'm not entitled to my own opinions? I thought this was a "Conspiracy Theories" thread? No? Most of the posts appear to be fixated with supposed flashing lights from the lower windows!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    WMP wrote: »
    Can anyone link to a video or photo backing up the official story? I haven't found any evidence despite looking. That can't be possible. It does not look like a place that was torn to pieces by machine gun fire. I don't get it. When the shooting starts it should be possible (from someones camera) to see the area being sprayed with bullets. All I can see are people with what look like minor injuries from the stampede. I cant even imagine how horrific a scene with 59 bullet riddled bodies must look like, and how there is zero footage of this.

    There was very graphic and horrific footage posted on reddit yesterday.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭WMP


    There was very graphic and horrific footage posted on reddit yesterday.

    did see it. any link?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    WMP wrote: »
    did see it. any link?

    I don't have it, probably easy enough to find. The post on reddit was deleted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DinkyDinosaur


    This was posted on 4chan a few weeks back on Sept 11 2017.

    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/uid/LAbNFEtv/


    look i feel bad for some of you on this website. so i'll let you in on a little secret. if you live in las vegas or henderson stay inside tomorrow. don't go anywhere where there are large groups of people. also if you see three blacks vans parked next to each other immediately leave the area. you're welcome
    -john




    it's called the "high incident project". they want to make the american public think that places with extremely high security aren't safe. they are trying to create more regulations. you will see laws proposed within the next few years to put up more metal detectors and other security devices. media and politicians will be saying places with lots of police need even more police. i can't guarantee anything will happen tomorrow but las vegas is on their minds.
    -john



    if their plan is successful state of nevada will pass a law in the future making all casinos have mandatory metal detectors and backscatter machines. soon after a federal law will be passed to put these machines in universities, high schools, federal buildings, you name it. osi systems and chertoff are the main producers of these machines. sometime around 2020 chertoff and osi will merge into a single company. after they merge the owners will sell off all their stock and make billions in profit. mr chertoff has been in contact with sheldon adelson. mr adelson will become a huge sponsor of these machines and he will be the first to put them in his casinos when the law passes. this is my last message for now. don't expect me to return anytime soon
    -john

    So I googled Sheldon Anderson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/353681-trump-met-with-sheldon-adelson-after-las-vegas-shooting-report


    Trump met with Sheldon Adelson after Las Vegas shooting: report

    President Trump met with casino magnate and GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam at the White House on Monday, discussing the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 59 people dead and more than 500 injured.

    The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Tuesday that the meeting at the White House had been scheduled before news of the attack on the country music festival on the Vegas strip reached Washington early Monday morning.

    The meeting was intended as a policy discussion, but Trump and the Adelsons reportedly also discussed how to help those affected by the shooting.

    Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner was allegedly also at the meeting.

    Adelson, the owner of the Las Vegas Sands casino and resort company, was among Trump's largest donors during the 2016 presidential campaign, giving millions to pro-Trump super PACs.

    The meeting on Monday came hours after a gunman opened fire on the music festival from his hotel room at the Mandalay Bay. The shooter, identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, was found dead in the room when SWAT teams stormed the hotel.

    The shooting in Las Vegas is the deadliest in modern U.S. history. Trump is expected to visit the city on Wednesday to meet with first responders and the families of victims.

    The Adelson family bought The Las Vegas Review-Journal in 2015. Last October, the Review-Journal gave Trump his first major newspaper endorsement.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    WMP wrote: »
    did see it. any link?

    Jesus H Christ. :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DinkyDinosaur


    The Long Con


    The long con refers to any of a variety of cons which require more planning, preparation, a longer window of interaction with the con's target, the mark, and a longer period of time to execute. The long con may also require a large crew or a larger number of involved people to pull off the deception needed to relieve the mark of their cash or other valuables. Unlike a short con, the long con requires time to slowly draw the mark or marks into the con, but often results in very large pay-outs. Because of the difficulty in organization and execution, long cons are considered to be for experts, not the province of new, young con men.

    Traditionally, the term "long con" has referred to an elaborate con of one or more marks which ends with the payout, when the marks surrender their money or valuables. Long cons play on one or both basic human frailties: greed and desperation, both qualities are also usually found in the mark. A classic example of a traditional long con is "The Wire Scam", as shown in the film The Sting. Contemporary long cons such as boiler rooms, cash-for-gold, or Ponzi (pyramid) schemes involve multiple marks, often in sizable numbers, and a gradual payout, but are able to stay in place for long periods of time because of their seeming legitimacy. The line between a genuine long con and garden variety fraud may be a fine one, such as in the case of Bernard Madoff's elaborate security fraud.

    The Players in the Con

    There are three key players in any long con: a victim, a con artist, and one or more associates.

    The Mark: The intended victim of
    The Grifter: A practitioner of confidence tricks, or more informally, a con artist. A grifter may play many roles, and often creates multiple personas over their career.
    The Shill: An accomplice to the grifter, who has no apparent connection to the con. Shills are put in place to encourage the mark to act in the desired way.

    A long con is executed in one or two settings: a real world setting, or an empty room, known as a big store set up to look like a real world setting, such as a stock trading room. For a long con to work, it requires a team of grifters, which play a variety of roles. Some players may be experts at one role, others can change them up as the con demands.

    The Roper: The member of the crew who identifies the mark, and lures the mark in. The roper usually begins by finding a way to get close to the mark, insinuating himself into the mark's life. Slowly, he or she makes the con sound enticing by offering the mark what he seems to want, leading up to an introduction to the inside man. From there, the roper's job is to keep the mark interested. He or she may create the illusion they are a participant in whatever opportunity the con offers the mark. The roper is often an older man with the appearance of affluence or an enticing woman, who embodies what the mark aspires to: wealth and the attention of a beautiful woman.
    The Inside Man: The crew member in charge, who executes the con.

    The Fixer: Often works near, but not close, to The Inside Man, as back-up and coordinate resources as the con unfolds. This is probably the most versatile role in the con, and the person has to have a combination of skills, from Grifting to Hitting. Often this person will wear more than one alias during the con, so they need to be easy for the Mark to forget.
    The Face: A shill, generally an attractive female used to distract or encourage the mark.
    The Outside Man: This could be a potential threat (as a fake Law Enforcement Official) or a potential fake target for the Mark to exploit, to gain the Mark's confidence.
    The Floater: A secondary Inside Man, who can work in conjunction on The Mark, or work a secondary angle on the same con.

    Other Specialized Roles

    Specialized players may be hired on an as needed basis, but are not part of a regular crew. These may also be secondary roles regular crew members play if they have the appropriate skills.

    The Forger: Some cons require forgeries to fool the Mark.
    The Thief/Greaseman: Some cons require a person skilled in security infiltration, and not just a pickpocket.
    The Hacker: As cons become more and more highly technical, a crew might need an expert in cyber-security. These roles also allow a fixer to work in more of a tech-support role behind the scenes, in support of the crew members in the field.
    The Wheelman: Some cons require a good person behind the wheel of a car, who is good at both tailing a mark, or running from Law Enforcement.

    The Bagman: Some cons require someone to handle the money.



    http://leverage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Con


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    The Long Con


    The long con refers to any of a variety of cons which require more planning, preparation, a longer window of interaction with the con's target, the mark, and a longer period of time to execute. The long con may also require a large crew or a larger number of involved people to pull off the deception needed to relieve the mark of their cash or other valuables. Unlike a short con, the long con requires time to slowly draw the mark or marks into the con, but often results in very large pay-outs. Because of the difficulty in organization and execution, long cons are considered to be for experts, not the province of new, young con men.

    Traditionally, the term "long con" has referred to an elaborate con of one or more marks which ends with the payout, when the marks surrender their money or valuables. Long cons play on one or both basic human frailties: greed and desperation, both qualities are also usually found in the mark. A classic example of a traditional long con is "The Wire Scam", as shown in the film The Sting. Contemporary long cons such as boiler rooms, cash-for-gold, or Ponzi (pyramid) schemes involve multiple marks, often in sizable numbers, and a gradual payout, but are able to stay in place for long periods of time because of their seeming legitimacy. The line between a genuine long con and garden variety fraud may be a fine one, such as in the case of Bernard Madoff's elaborate security fraud.

    The Players in the Con

    There are three key players in any long con: a victim, a con artist, and one or more associates.

    The Mark: The intended victim of
    The Grifter: A practitioner of confidence tricks, or more informally, a con artist. A grifter may play many roles, and often creates multiple personas over their career.
    The Shill: An accomplice to the grifter, who has no apparent connection to the con. Shills are put in place to encourage the mark to act in the desired way.

    A long con is executed in one or two settings: a real world setting, or an empty room, known as a big store set up to look like a real world setting, such as a stock trading room. For a long con to work, it requires a team of grifters, which play a variety of roles. Some players may be experts at one role, others can change them up as the con demands.

    The Roper: The member of the crew who identifies the mark, and lures the mark in. The roper usually begins by finding a way to get close to the mark, insinuating himself into the mark's life. Slowly, he or she makes the con sound enticing by offering the mark what he seems to want, leading up to an introduction to the inside man. From there, the roper's job is to keep the mark interested. He or she may create the illusion they are a participant in whatever opportunity the con offers the mark. The roper is often an older man with the appearance of affluence or an enticing woman, who embodies what the mark aspires to: wealth and the attention of a beautiful woman.
    The Inside Man: The crew member in charge, who executes the con.

    The Fixer: Often works near, but not close, to The Inside Man, as back-up and coordinate resources as the con unfolds. This is probably the most versatile role in the con, and the person has to have a combination of skills, from Grifting to Hitting. Often this person will wear more than one alias during the con, so they need to be easy for the Mark to forget.
    The Face: A shill, generally an attractive female used to distract or encourage the mark.
    The Outside Man: This could be a potential threat (as a fake Law Enforcement Official) or a potential fake target for the Mark to exploit, to gain the Mark's confidence.
    The Floater: A secondary Inside Man, who can work in conjunction on The Mark, or work a secondary angle on the same con.

    Other Specialized Roles

    Specialized players may be hired on an as needed basis, but are not part of a regular crew. These may also be secondary roles regular crew members play if they have the appropriate skills.

    The Forger: Some cons require forgeries to fool the Mark.
    The Thief/Greaseman: Some cons require a person skilled in security infiltration, and not just a pickpocket.
    The Hacker: As cons become more and more highly technical, a crew might need an expert in cyber-security. These roles also allow a fixer to work in more of a tech-support role behind the scenes, in support of the crew members in the field.
    The Wheelman: Some cons require a good person behind the wheel of a car, who is good at both tailing a mark, or running from Law Enforcement.

    The Bagman: Some cons require someone to handle the money.



    http://leverage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Con

    Is this a new game on Boards? Can I be the bagman?


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DinkyDinosaur


    And now the likes of Alex Jones who is a shill in this long con is saying that ANTIFA (which means anti- fascist) is going to start a civil war.

    https://www.infowars.com/antifa-plans-civil-war-to-overthrow-the-government/

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/antifa-mass-uprising-to-remove-fascist-trump/

    http://www.pacificpundit.com/2017/08/28/antifa-terrorists-planning-civil-war-and-overturn-government-on-nov-4/

    AntiFa terrorists planning ‘Civil War’ and ‘overturn’ government on Nov 4

    So there's your civil war right there. It was never about confiscating guns. They want people to shoot each other.

    Divide and conquer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    look i feel bad for some of you on this website. so i'll let you in on a little secret. if you live in las vegas or henderson stay inside tomorrow. don't go anywhere where there are large groups of people. also if you see three blacks vans parked next to each other immediately leave the area. you're welcome
    -john
    It's funny how no one was able to point out this "prediction" before the event it supposedly predicted.

    But it's hard to pick them out from the hundreds of such predictions that get spit out every day all around the internet and mention pretty much every single city all the time.

    You can't just count the hits. Broken clocks are right twice a day and all of that.

    Note however how this supposed prophet offers exactly zero in the way of verifiable details or information that would indicate that he actually any useful knowledge. (Never mind where he got said knowledge.)
    Also note how he was wrong, yet now he's being held up as being right.
    First he claims it would be Las Vegas OR Henderson. Then he says that it will happen the day after his post. Then presumably, after nothing happened that day he changes tack and just says something vague about Vegas.

    He doesn't even say it's going to be an attack the second time. Just that the Shadowy They have Vegas in mind.

    Again, there are tons and tons of these claims everywhere, this forum included. That, coupled with lowering standards to the point where someone can offer no details and be off the predicted day by weeks can still be right, it means that it's super easy to find such predictions at random.

    Had this insider provided exact details, number of shooters, location, time, date etc... then maybe there would be something.

    Otherwise. Nothing really interesting here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,587 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pilly wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ. :mad:

    Is there a problem?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DinkyDinosaur




    Edit- Video doesn't seem to be playing. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhb3VNWM10&has_verified=1
    This clearly shows there is more than one shooter.

    People don't claim there is a conspiracy for no reason or because they are idiots. They question what is going on because things don't add up.

    Don't ever let anyone ridicule you for thinking 2+2=4 and try to convince you that 2+2=7 and that there is nothing strange going on.

    There is certainly something strange going on. Things don't add up.


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