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  • #62
    fondriest
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭fondriest


    I see €12 million has been approved for the proposed Rosslare to Waterford greenway.

    https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/community/recreational-and-community-development-projects/rosslare-to-waterford-city-greenway


  • #63
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    fondriest wrote: »
    I see €12 million has been approved for the proposed Rosslare to Waterford greenway.

    https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/community/recreational-and-community-development-projects/rosslare-to-waterford-city-greenway

    You might want to read that again.

    "Construction costs of the greenway are estimated at €12 million."

    They don't have the money yet as far as I know.


  • #64
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Mucco wrote: »
    It's a great map.
    Would it be possible to add a layer from Strava Heatmaps to show where people are already cycling?

    I'm not sure how I'd go about adding it to google maps, the system they have is pretty basic, I could link to the heatmap on the map, its really amazing to see the bright areas where current greenways are, very 'if you build it, they will come'!


  • #65
    whisky_galore
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    Re the Waterford-Rosslare Greenway, what are they planning to do with the bridge that needs to open and close for shipping I wonder?


  • #66
    schemingbohemia
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Re the Waterford-Rosslare Greenway, what are they planning to do with the bridge that needs to open and close for shipping I wonder?

    Presumably it would operate like other remote controlled railway crossings, likely to be a gate brought down on both sides to prevent access.

    Those neglecting to stop will end up wet and/or dead, quite the incentive to actually obey the signalling.


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  • #67
    fondriest
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    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    You might want to read that again.

    "Construction costs of the greenway are estimated at €12 million."

    They don't have the money yet as far as I know.

    Some kind of information brochure about economic and community investment arrived at home from the county council this week and it certainly seems like it’s approved .


  • #68
    knockoutned
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭knockoutned


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    West Clare Railway Greenway Hits A Bump In The Road.

    http://www.clare.fm/podcasts/west-clare-railway-greenway-hits-bump-road/

    All I could think of listening to that was the D'Unbelievables Crimebusters, "Sure, ye cant be doin dat lads"


  • #69
    whisky_galore
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    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    Presumably it would operate like other remote controlled railway crossings, likely to be a gate brought down on both sides to prevent access.

    Those neglecting to stop will end up wet and/or dead, quite the incentive to actually obey the signalling.

    It has to be manned during openings, it's not remote control, I assume the Council would love to have to pay for him to come out to open and close it and contribute towards the upgrading, maintenance and upkeep of a huge specialised structure.


  • #70
    whisky_galore
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    knockoutned wrote: »
    All I could think of listening to that was the D'Unbelievables Crimebusters, "Sure, ye cant be doin dat lads"

    Would you be happy if someone proposed taking a slice off your front garden without your consent?


  • #71
    woody1
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    there is a proposal to convert the existing western way from Ballycastle in mayo to Bellacorrick and on through the Ballycroy national park into newport into a greenway and join it to the existing greenway


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  • #72
    riddlinrussell
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    Any chance you could find that proposal? I haven't had any luck finding it online.


  • #73
    woody1
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    NPWS’s divisional manager for the west Denis Strong said that, “The Western Way already runs from Connemara through the Nephins to Ballycastle and the idea is that we will work with consultants on a conversion plan that develops walking and cycle routes. This is a long-term project, and today is the first chapter.”

    few other bits in the local papers, id spend a fair bit of time out that direction and ive heard it on the grapevine a lot, there wont be any cpo's needed , the western way is already there, but id imagine its a long term project ..


  • #74
    riddlinrussell
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    Fantastic! I'll get it down as maybe 'Potential' for now, if I ever find time I'll try and link articles/Plans to the 'Proposed and Planned' lines so people know i'm not just pulling them from nowhere.

    EDIT: Added it in as a few sections, Ignored the section around Westport as I'd assume they will link in to the GWG to save on work, would make a nice shorter 'Newport-Westport loop' if they built both though....


  • #75
    knockoutned
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭knockoutned


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Would you be happy if someone proposed taking a slice off your front garden without your consent?

    This is Ireland, so no one is going to have their land taken without their consent. What happens when new motorway routes are proposed. Is property taken then without the owner’s consent? So less of the hyperbole and scare mongering as it serves no one.

    It appears from the interview (and this is my only source) that Clare county council looked around and saw the success of the Mayo, Waterford and Westmeath greenways and thought it would be a good idea to see if one would be feasible in their county. They proposed a route using an old railway line and setup organising a public meeting to see if there was any interest, while also hoping to get the feedback of land owners that may be impacted. So, from the very start, they opened communication with all stakeholders. These things only work if everyone works together and buys into the project.

    I’m not familiar with the route, but do CIE, Coillte, OPW or any other state agency still own the majority of the land? If it is as the IFA representative stated over 60 years since the route was taken up, were boundaries maintained or was land taken for private use. I know when they took up the Naas – Sallins line back around the same time, the land was given to neighbouring farmers. I also appreciate the point that old railway houses were purchased, with gardens now where the old tracks used to be, but why pick this route, if they don’t have access to most of the proposed land. Some alternative routes will need to be made, but isn’t this why they are out looking for feedback? My problem with the guy from the IFA was that he was just so negative about the whole thing. IFA says no!

    This isn’t just a West Clare issue, but a national one. Looking at the greenway map, there are proposed projects all over the country. Mistakes should be learned from prior projects and best practices should be implemented so possible and genuine fears can be addressed. And here is where the IFA could be a very strong and influential voice. From the success of the current greenways built, and the positive feedback both locally and nationally, it would appear that the majority of the negativity is unfounded.


  • #76
    fondriest
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    knockoutned wrote: »
    This is Ireland, so no one is going to have their land taken without their consent. What happens when new motorway routes are proposed. Is property taken then without the owner’s consent? So less of the hyperbole and scare mongering as it serves no one.



    I believe that’s exactly what does happen.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/losing_your_home/compulsory_purchase_and_compensation.html


  • #77
    Carawaystick
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    woody1 wrote: »
    NPWS’s divisional manager for the west Denis Strong said that, “The Western Way already runs from Connemara through the Nephins to Ballycastle and the idea is that we will work with consultants on a conversion plan that develops walking and cycle routes. This is a long-term project, and today is the first chapter.”

    few other bits in the local papers, id spend a fair bit of time out that direction and ive heard it on the grapevine a lot, there wont be any cpo's needed , the western way is already there, but id imagine its a long term project ..

    Is this likely to be on forestry roads?


  • #78
    knockoutned
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭knockoutned


    fondriest wrote: »

    I believe that’s exactly what does happen.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/losing_your_home/compulsory_purchase_and_compensation.html

    It looks like I misinterpreted consent in Whisky Galore's post :o

    I thought he meant someone waking up one morning and their garden was gone without their knowledge! With a CPO, you may not be happy about it, but you are informed and compensated.


  • #79
    woody1
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Is this likely to be on forestry roads?

    yeah almost all of it is existing ( i have heard there may be some new bits added where the western way follows the road, to keep it all off road ) and the few bits of it i have been on are all decent forestry roads.. there are some parts of the western way where its boardwalk and narrow track so something will have to be done in those places..


  • #80
    whisky_galore
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    knockoutned wrote: »
    It looks like I misinterpreted consent in Whisky Galore's post :o

    I thought he meant someone waking up one morning and their garden was gone without their knowledge! With a CPO, you may not be happy about it, but you are informed and compensated.

    Which may or may not be adequate, in the landowner's view.

    By councils swaggering around in hi-vis and flashing CPO's around, all you're going to do is p*ss off and galvanise landowners into opposition.

    CIE don't have any interests in the remains of the trackbed of West Clare anymore.


  • #81
    Tigerandahalf
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Which may or may not be adequate, in the landowner's view.

    By councils swaggering around in hi-vis and flashing CPO's around, all you're going to do is p*ss off and galvanise landowners into opposition.

    CIE don't have any interests in the remains of the trackbed of West Clare anymore.

    Many of the farmers in greenway areas are barely scraping a living and hugely reliant on subsidies. Their areas will only benefit from greenways.

    Greenways are becoming important infrastructure and if cpos are necessary they should be used in the greater interest of the country.

    It may even be possible to run fibre broadband through some of these greenways in the future which would be another plus.


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  • #82
    whisky_galore
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Many of the farmers in greenway areas are barely scraping a living and hugely reliant on subsidies. Their areas will only benefit from greenways.

    Greenways are becoming important infrastructure and if cpos are necessary they should be used in the greater interest of the country.

    It may even be possible to run fibre broadband through some of these greenways in the future which would be another plus.

    You know Irish people can't see beyond the ends of their own noses? A farmer won't see any benefit unless he runs a B&B on the side. As far as he's concerned it's an intrusion, brought in by outsiders and he will be of that mind until someone engages with him and talks him round. Bullying and talking down to people won't achieve much.

    I wouldn't go down the CPO road, do you want to bog down projects to a crawl? Then funding goes down the swanee and no-one gets anything.


  • #83
    eeeee
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    You know Irish people can't see beyond the ends of their own noses? A farmer won't see any benefit unless he runs a B&B on the side. As far as he's concerned it's an intrusion, brought in by outsiders and he will be of that mind until someone engages with him and talks him round. Bullying and talking down to people won't achieve much.

    I wouldn't go down the CPO road, do you want to bog down projects to a crawl? Then funding goes down the swanee and no-one gets anything.

    This is not true.
    The majority of farmers are just scraping by, I can tell you that from experience. There are issues with the proximity of people to their businesses - for example neosporosis, spread by dog excrement: http://www.knowledgescotland.org/briefings.php?id=288 It induces abortion in heifers and cows, and people are extremely lazy in picking up after their dogs in the city, they're much, much worse in the country. The cost to the farmer of this is absolutely massive, and potentially devastating.
    Also their darling mutt chasing cheep etc.

    It can be done, but needs to be managed extremely carefully and safely for all involved. It has been done, and hopefully will continue to be done. But understanding on all sides is important.


  • #84
    blueballfc
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    Mixed feeling on this tbh no tow path for barrow
    https://mobile.twitter.com/frankmcdonald60/status/966381061080043521


  • #85
    whisky_galore
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    blueballfc wrote: »
    Mixed feeling on this tbh no two path for barrow
    https://mobile.twitter.com/frankmcdonald60/status/966381061080043521

    I don't see why everything 'has' to be surfaced and 'cycle friendly'. I find some of those places a bit sterile. Sometimes a walk without the world and his mother on bikes whizzing by is pleasant.


  • #86
    nilhg
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    blueballfc wrote: »
    Mixed feeling on this tbh no two path for barrow
    https://mobile.twitter.com/frankmcdonald60/status/966381061080043521

    Yes it seems Carlow have refused PP for the blueway, Kildare and Laois to be announced today, it'll be interesting to see how they decide, especially on Canal segments which are the majority of the application in both counties where flooding concerns won't apply.


  • #87
    nilhg
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    I don't see why everything 'has' to be surfaced and 'cycle friendly'. I find some of those places a bit sterile. Sometimes a walk without the world and his mother on bikes whizzing by is pleasant.

    On the canal based areas of the Blueway at least there are towpaths on both sides, no reason people can't walk on the "unimproved" side of they so wish.

    Of course sometimes people want to walk with a buggy or small kids on bikes or someone in a wheelchair so a decent surface for them doesn't seem too much to ask.


  • #88
    riddlinrussell
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    nilhg wrote: »
    On the canal based areas of the Blueway at least there are towpaths on both sides, no reason people can't walk on the "unimproved" side of they so wish.

    Of course sometimes people want to walk with a buggy or small kids on bikes or someone in a wheelchair so a decent surface for them doesn't seem too much to ask.

    An oft forgotten aspect is definitely the opportunity it presents for disabled people to enjoy the same experiences everyone else gets to, why should they not be allowed to experience the public canal towpath?


  • #89
    blueballfc
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    nilhg wrote: »
    Yes it seems Carlow have refused PP for the blueway, Kildare and Laois to be announced today, it'll be interesting to see how they decide, especially on Canal segments which are the majority of the application in both counties where flooding concerns won't apply.

    looks like Laois got behind it
    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/home/298564/breaking-laois-backs-controversial-barrow-blueway-which-is-rejected-by-carlow.html


  • #90
    magicbastarder
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    riddlinrussell wrote: »
    An oft forgotten aspect is definitely the opportunity it presents for disabled people to enjoy the same experiences everyone else gets to, why should they not be allowed to experience the public canal towpath?
    maybe i'm misunderstanding - but so far, i'm not aware of any issues in relation to canal towpaths, this is more specifically about a river path?

    probably easier and less controversial to provide a path where there has historically been a constructed path anyway. less prone to the flooding concern too.


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  • #91
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    maybe i'm misunderstanding - but so far, i'm not aware of any issues in relation to canal towpaths, this is more specifically about a river path?

    probably easier and less controversial to provide a path where there has historically been a constructed path anyway. less prone to the flooding concern too.

    If there is a river path then it must have been constructed? I imagine the Barrow navigation, similar to the Lagan Navigation, is a combination of river and canal, using the natural course where it can, the river sections will still have a constructed towpath, and if walkers can use it I think it unfair that it isn't accessible to all. It's not the same as a mountain trail where it may be totally impractical to make it accessible, its a dead flat trail along a river.


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