Super Mario 3D All-Stars

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Except, not to trivialise the bedroom coders work, his camera is very half arsed. There's no AI pathfinding around geometry or collision with geometry. I very much doubt nintendo would allow something so broken into their game and can imagine the insane effort it would take implementing it into Mario 64.

Nothing is ever as trivial as adding a feature. You have to account for what said feature will break.

yes this is just a quick x-axis only camera hack and not very sophisticated

still Nintendo, with their vast resources didn't even try to begin with.

That is the key point - couldn't be arsed - just throw out the same thing from 24 years ago (auto-upscaling aside) and hit up the consumers

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Two reasons:

Nintendo has a policy of presenting their games as originally intended as much as possible.

The budget didn't cover it.

And a sweeping change like a second analogue camera has massive consequences for how a game works, QA, testing and might just not be possible on the host hardware (The N64 really doesn't have the grunt to run the AI needed for todays third person cameras). It's a minefield when you have the choice of presenting the game as close to as originally intended as possible. It's not like Mario 64 is totally unplayable because of the camera, it's still a greatest of all time game.

I don't buy this at all.

even giving control over just the x-axis plane with the right-stick for movement would be a huge quality of life upgrade and doesn't need any AI whatsoever (this is purely complicating the conversation)

you just leave the existing crappy auto camera as is but you can control the x-axis view with the right stick

this would make a massive difference to playing the game - even like the crude way as done by the programmer actually does make a big difference.

there would be some work to do with the existing level-design draw-spaces if the x-axis view could go outside the existing design areas but I don't see it as insurmountable by any means

maddymcmaddser wrote: »

I was hoping someone in here would say Smyths are letting people collect it early! This'll be my 5th different version of Mario 64 and I cannot wait to play it to 100% completion again, it's one of the best games ever made!

Also on the camera discussion, I like the crappy camera and the sound effects, I wouldn't have it any other way!

:eek:

sound is fine but that camera is the work of the devil.

And Nintendo knows how to do this with N64 first party 3D games

They re-released Majora's Mask on the new 3DS and implemented free camera control using the new 3DS's second analogue stick

That was not exactly that long ago - how difficult could it really be to reuse this work - everyone knows that programming is all about re-use of similar prior work.

I've nothing more to add here lol - I just can't stand spoofers making up stuff to defend Nintendo!

Star Lord wrote: »

That wasn't Nintendo, BTW, that was Grezzo that handled the OOT and Majora's Mask 3D remakes. And they were full priced, full remakes of single games, rather than re-releasing slightly tweaked versions of the originals in a 3-for-1 deal.

I fully agree with you that those releases (MM and OoT) were full re-workings for the 3DS.

but if it (camera right-stick) has been done before wrt an N64 3D first-party game so that part of the work could be reused / leveraged even if it was done in a full remake. If an amateur coder can make a perfectly workable x-axis camera in little time why can't a full dev house do it. Nintendo would own all the assets even if sub-contracted as it's a first-party IP.