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06-10-2019, 12:50   #1291
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Naming storms is the single biggest driver of hype for me, the second a storm gets named it's all over social media and office conversations and regardless of strength or where it's due to hit, people just have the idea in their head that a big storm is on its way

Also most 'storms' this country amount to a few hours of rain followed by a windy day with heavy showers, they look dramatic on weather charts with bright colours and whatnot but the reality isn't all that different to a normal bad winters day.
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06-10-2019, 15:56   #1292
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Naming storms is the single biggest driver of hype for me, the second a storm gets named it's all over social media and office conversations and regardless of strength or where it's due to hit, people just have the idea in their head that a big storm is on its way

Also most 'storms' this country amount to a few hours of rain followed by a windy day with heavy showers, they look dramatic on weather charts with bright colours and whatnot but the reality isn't all that different to a normal bad winters day.
I'd agree with this one, since the storms started to be named, it's been fodder for tabloids. Though Lorenzo and Ophelia would have been named as they were ex hurricanes, storm Darwin wouldn't have been named and it's the most destructive in recent memory for me. An exceptional amount of wind in a relatively short window.

I also remember from a couple of years ago all those Facebook 'news' outlets that seemingly had just discovered swell charts from magic seaweed and decided to call it a 'weather bomb'.
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06-10-2019, 16:11   #1293
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Drama sells newspapers & generates clicks. George Lee was a big culprit. He kept referring to a huge storm & hurricane force winds long after Lorenzo started filling.

People aren't interested in reasoned explanantion. We live in a soundbite generation. If the media over hype, it generates revenue.
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06-10-2019, 18:39   #1294
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Climate change is so bad that none of the storms live up to the hype
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07-10-2019, 00:02   #1295
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Thanks for the feedback on both the warnings system and the gusts for Debbie.

Probably what will actually happen is that the system will continue as before, or they will change to maps only, no defined regions. If we get another named storm with alert potential, I will try to come up with some maps before it hits and fine tune these warnings a bit more, just for some comparisons before and after. I am somewhat brainwashed into avoiding the term "warning" in my own work since there's a bit of a legal issue in our own jurisdictions about who should issue warnings, so I've always used the term alert in my Irish forecasts. Whether I am alert or not is an entirely separate question.
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07-10-2019, 01:04   #1296
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So here's a question about the warning system, if they (or we here at Boards) went to a more fine-tuned system breaking down counties into parts, which counties would you consider most in need of regions and what would you propose for them?

As a first draft of this, I would say that these counties do not need further dividing into regions for warnings:

Sligo, Leitrim, Roscommon, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth, Meath, Longford, Westmeath, Offaly, Dublin, Kildare, Laois, Carlow, Kilkenny, Wexford, Waterford.

For the rest, this would be the proposed sub-county grid for warnings:

Kerry north, Kerry south, Cork north, Cork south, Limerick west, Limerick east, Tipps north and south, Clare northwest, southeast, Galway west, central, east, Mayo northwest, southeast, Donegal south, Donegal north, Wicklow east, Wicklow west.

Then if this grid were in use, a warning that did not break down the county would apply to all parts.

Alternatively, you could make the system totally map-dependent, and just issue warnings for "all of" and "parts of" counties with a map published to show what zones were in what categories.

For this past storm, I would imagine the orange warnings might have been restricted to some parts of at least Clare, Galway, Cork and Mayo, with yellow for the more inland portions so the map would have looked more yellow and less orange basically. If no regions were being used and just the zones on a map, then probably the orange zone would have been most of the west coast within 20-30 miles of the ocean.

Also it might be helpful for maps to have two styles of shading for wind and rainfall, same colours but say solid orange for the wind warning and hatched orange for the rainfall (which in this case in hindsight may not have overlapped and in fact there was probably a zone of yellow wind and rain verifying in the space (north Mayo-Sligo) between them.

Can see that Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon often have north-south differences that might add them to my list of possible divisions. Give this some input and I will get a base map created (if the prevailing opinion favours breaking down counties and not just the map based system) for use here, and we can help fine-tune these warnings.

Is this breakdown fine enough to make the system potentially more responsive, or would you need even more of a subdivision?
How would you achieve this fine tuning ?
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