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Two tolls for the M3

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  • #32
    Navan Junction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Navan Junction


    The old N1 wouldn't be as well maintained as that.

    The N3 isn't particularly well looked after, though a mile or so of it was resurfaced north of Dunshaughlin before Christmas.

    It isn't being cynical for the sake of it - MCC don't have the funds do anything much and the roads around Navan are very messy in places too.

    TBH, if the N3 as a primary route isn't particularly well maintained now, I can't see that changing for the better when the M3 is built.

    The point about the N1 is that you can use it free as far as Sth Drogheda. The M3 will be tolled at it's very start at the Blackbull so the (soon to be) old N3 will probably still see alot of use


  • #33
    Zoney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Zoney


    Navan Junction wrote:
    It isn't being cynical for the sake of it - MCC don't have the funds do anything much and the roads around Navan are very messy in places too.

    Meath County Council are receiving €55,892,600 this year for upgrades, this compares very favorably with say, Tipperary NR (where most of Limerick-Nenagh falls) which is getting €4,740,000.

    Of course, perhaps all that means is that you will finally be starting to see serious improvement in Meath this year.

    Both council areas are getting about the same for maintanance, about one and a half million euro.

    Limerick County Council are getting a whopping huge glob of money for upgrades this year; over €100 million.


  • #34
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    rcunning03 wrote:
    Will the M3 be better than the new part of the N2, which I think is one of the best roads in the country ?
    N2 = 3 lane, N3 = 2 lane most likely.
    Navan Junction wrote:
    Incidently, the N2 was apparently aligned to facilitate a visit to Slane by Victoria, formerly queen of England. Which is why it was so straight - can't remember where I picked that up
    I think you might have crossed wires there. AFAIK, the N2 was an old toll road, well before Victoria's time.
    Zoney wrote:
    Tipperary NR (where most of Limerick-Nenagh falls) which is getting €4,740,000. ... Limerick County Council are getting a whopping huge glob of money for upgrades this year; over €100 million.
    Is LCC managing the Limerick-Nenagh contract?


  • #35
    Navan Junction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Navan Junction


    Victor wrote:
    N2 = 3 lane
    Only as far as the first junction (2.5k?)
    Victor wrote:
    AFAIK, the N2 was an old toll road, well before Victoria's time.
    I'll check - have a book on the history of turnpikes - it may have been realligned. I'll check it in the interests of trivia..


  • #36
    steve-o
    Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭steve-o


    Hamndegger wrote:
    it gives the taxpayer "Value for Money"
    You don't actually believe that line, do you? Yes, it costs the NRA less up front, but some estimates put the cost to drivers of the M3 at over €1 billion after all the tolls have been paid. It would make more sense if the developer was paid a fixed amount over the life of the PPP contract (30 years?) and all tolls went to the NRA.


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  • #37
    westtip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Been off these boards for a while but good to see the same old arguments are still being bashed out - just read this thread and surprised no one has come up with the same old (and very valid) point that our planners at a national level couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag. I see in todays Sunday Times (PAGE 6 NEWS SECTION) they are talking about the outer orbital road from drogheda - Navan - Trim - Kilcock (N4 intersection) then to Naas (link with M7), great stuff - then take a close look at the map - it will mean 4 dual carriageways running north south through Meath within twenty miles of each other - the issue about the M3 has less to do with Tara (although this is an international disgrace), but more to do with why they ( the brilliant public sector bench marked planners) didn't plan one motorway on a north south axis through meath (ie the N2) with spur roads to Navan and Drogheda. If the N2 is upgraded to decent standard dual carriageway - it won't take long for consumers (ie motorists) who should use the M1 or M3 pay per view motorways to swing across to the N2 and drive south to the M50 on the free to view N2. Of course when they get to the M50 it will be the same as ever -

    S0 why not take the train ...oh sorry I forgot .... there isn't one.


  • #38
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    westtip wrote:
    the issue about the M3 has less to do with Tara (although this is an international disgrace), but more to do with why they ( the brilliant public sector bench marked planners) didn't plan one motorway on a north south axis through meath (ie the N2) with spur roads to Navan and Drogheda.
    Quite simply because the N1/N2/N3 is controlled by different councils. Fingal built the M1 as far east as possible to suit commuters (voters) in the coastal towns.


  • #39
    westtip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Victor wrote:
    Quite simply because the N1/N2/N3 is controlled by different councils. Fingal built the M1 as far east as possible to suit commuters (voters) in the coastal towns.


    Ah well Victor there you go you summed it up why it has been so badly planned by mentioning the c word - councils - the quality of which leaves a great deal to be desired.


  • #40
    Zoney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Zoney


    Victor wrote:
    Quite simply because the N1/N2/N3 is controlled by different councils. Fingal built the M1 as far east as possible to suit commuters (voters) in the coastal towns.

    National roads are the responsibility of the NRA, not the local councils.


  • #41
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Zoney wrote:
    National roads are the responsibility of the NRA, not the local councils.
    Its not quite that simple. The NRA is mainly a funding and research & standards agency. It doesn't select routes and doesn't design roads.


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  • #42
    Zoney
    Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Zoney


    The Regional Design Offices aren't all county-specific either.


  • #43
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    Has anyone noticed that the car only toll booth on the m3 promps you to pay 2.20 instead of 1.40.If you throw in the incorrect amount will they refund the difference to you, or?


  • #44
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If its coming up at 2.20, your vehicle is being identified automatically commercial. 1.40 is for passenger cars only; anything on goods tax is 2.20

    If this is incorrect you need to contact the toll operator so they can figure out what's going wrong.


  • #45
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    L1011 wrote: »
    If its coming up at 2.20, your vehicle is being identified automatically commercial. 1.40 is for passenger cars only; anything on goods tax is 2.20

    If this is incorrect you need to contact the toll operator so they can figure out what's going wrong.
    We used the car only bay with height restriction, so it should not be classed as commercial, but they are still charging for commercial. If this was one of the other bays, then that explanation would be feasible. I have heard of this happening to other vehicles using the M3 tolls and it seems to be exclusive to the M3.


  • #46
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    cournioni wrote: »
    We used the car only bay with height restriction, so it should not be classed as commercial, but they are still charging for commercial. If this was one of the other bays, then that explanation would be feasible. I have heard of this happening to other vehicles using the M3 tolls and it seems to be exclusive to the M3.

    1. What make/model "car" is it?

    2. Does it have back seats?


  • #47
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    cournioni wrote: »
    We used the car only bay with height restriction, so it should not be classed as commercial, but they are still charging for commercial. If this was one of the other bays, then that explanation would be feasible. I have heard of this happening to other vehicles using the M3 tolls and it seems to be exclusive to the M3.

    There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of commercial vehicles that fit in the car lane. The explanation is not only feasible, it is precisely what is happening

    If your vehicle is on goods tax you are being charged the correct amount; if not you need to contact Eurolink to ask them why


  • #48
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    13 year old thread reborn.


  • #49
    Riesen_Meal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,575 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Get the bus! There is an excellent service from Navan to Dublin!
    No car, no tolls, no parking fees!

    Post is from 13 years ago mate...


  • #50
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Fieldog wrote: »
    Post is from 13 years ago mate...

    Never looked at the date!


  • #51
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    L1011 wrote: »
    There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of commercial vehicles that fit in the car lane. The explanation is not only feasible, it is precisely what is happening

    If your vehicle is on goods tax you are being charged the correct amount; if not you need to contact Eurolink to ask them why

    its a car with back seats should be classed as a car. seen a quy in a small vw classed at 2.20 directly in front of me. when the barrier did not open he threw in the overcharge amount of 80c. he was scammed. every vehicle that goes in is classed at 2.20 and if they are gullible enough they are scammed.


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  • #52
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Until you contact the operator you are stabbing in the dark as to why it's happening.


  • #53
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    BowWow wrote: »
    1. What make/model "car" is it?

    cournioni wrote: »
    its a car with back seats should be classed as a car.

    There are several commercial vehicles with back seats, again what make/model?


  • #54
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    BowWow wrote: »
    There are several commercial vehicles with back seats, again what make/model?
    Opel Insignia. The main point is, it shouldn’t be happening, it doesn’t happen on other motor ways (M50, M1 etc.).

    The onus should not be on the driver of the vehicle to spot this. As I am not the first person this has happened to, I can only imagine how many others have been overcharged.


  • #55
    cruizer101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    Have you contacted them to advise them of the mistake.
    At end of the day mistakes can happen and unless someone reports them they will continue to happen.


  • #56
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    cruizer101 wrote: »
    Have you contacted them to advise them of the mistake.
    At end of the day mistakes can happen and unless someone reports them they will continue to happen.
    Yes.


  • #57
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,950 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    cournioni wrote: »
    Opel Insignia. The main point is, it shouldn’t be happening, it doesn’t happen on other motor ways (M50, M1 etc.).

    The onus should not be on the driver of the vehicle to spot this. As I am not the first person this has happened to, I can only imagine how many others have been overcharged.

    Get a tag and this problem will be eliminated.


  • #58
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Isambard wrote: »
    13 year old thread reborn.

    The M3 is still, and will always be, a monument to a certain type of Irish governance.

    Dempsey Delivered.


  • #59
    PeadarCo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Lord Glentoran wrote:
    The M3 is still, and will always be, a monument to a certain type of Irish governance.

    The M3 was and is badly needed. A large amount of traffic comes and came into Dublin on it. Given there are sometimes traffic jams from the second toll onwards in the morning rush hour these days(especially if there's any accident on it or the M50). It was something that was required. It's just a shame it took so long to build.


  • #60
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    M3 traffic figures are back to what was expected or beyond and TII expected to have no more than 180k left in traffic guarantee payments to make on it. They were handing over up to 2.6m a year at one point.


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