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  • #5492
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    All My Stars Aligned wrote: »
    Am I right in saying that results this year decide rankings for the next WC? If so, could this be the reason behind certain selections?

    If we're aiming to fall further back from the top 4, sure.


  • #5493
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,956 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Former Former wrote: »
    It is much better to be in the top 4. Of course it is.

    Is it tho? Hasn't seemed to matter much one way or the other, as success is the quarters is likely to be predicted on who is a lower seed in the group we're going to to play in the quarters. We've lost to nearly everyone at this stage, I don't know if it really matters, bar getting a Scotland or Italy match up.


  • #5494
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Former Former wrote: »
    It is much better to be in the top 4. Of course it is.


    Why?


    In reality the top 8 is the main place to stay, dropping below means you have 2 of the top sides in your group


  • #5495
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Is it tho? Hasn't seemed to matter much one way or the other, as success is the quarters is likely to be predicted on who is a lower seed in the group we're going to to play in the quarters. We've lost to nearly everyone at this stage, I don't know if it really matters, bar getting a Scotland or Italy match up.

    You're not looking at it rationally. Our underperformance is a totally separate issue.

    Put it this way. If we hadn't been top seeds in Japan, we'd have been up against a top team instead of Scotland and we'd have crashed out at the pool stage instead of the QF.

    Can't make it any clearer


  • #5496
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Back to 4 in the world rankings, pity about conceding that last try


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  • #5497
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    blackcard wrote: »
    Back to 4 in the world rankings, pity about conceding that last try

    I doubt that they will make much difference, only if it gave Wales a losing bonus


  • #5498
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,981 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I doubt that they will make much difference, only if it gave Wales a losing bonus

    Rankings take the margin of the win into consideration, I think it's 15 points; win by this or less, ranks don't change as much.


  • #5499
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,668 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Hoping Henshaw recovers well. We've gone from having all centres fit to two injured in as many games.

    Also hoping we get a positive update on Doris. If he's got he starts against England. We've wilted in the face of their physicality in the last two meetings.


  • #5500
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Rankings take the margin of the win into consideration, I think it's 15 points; win by this or less, ranks don't change as much.

    The old non bonus point 6 nations it would matter as we found out to our advantage

    The chance of ending up on even points and going down to tries will be very very slim...


  • #5501
    leakyboots
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Usual guff from the usual talking heads about POM. Makes this place hard to visit. I don't know why I'm responding as I gave up on it a while back but sure...

    Top tackler at the time of his substitution, finished 2nd behind Ryan over the 80.

    "He didn't contribute anything in attack" - he ran 3m less than JvdF… same carries (only 4 each). Made one more pass than JvdF. If you're to go on those stats neither offered much going forward and, for some number worshippers, consequentially had bad games... Which is not true for either of them. Oh and he was primary latch to get Furlong over for his try.

    I wonder... could it be that POM is... not there to give us constant go forward...? That maybe his skillset is being used elsewhere. I thought James Ryan didn't kick the ball enough today, shocking given the conditions!

    Anyway, POM robbed lineout ball. Gave us great lineout ball in a f**king orange weather alert. Pain in the hole at rucktime all day on a day when Wales put a good squeeze on us early on. Made his tackles, gave away a couple of penalties, I'm delighted for his sake he played well because some people just refuse to give him credit no matter what and spout guff. Had a very good day at the office.

    I thought he was in with a shout got MOTM but Stander deservedly got it. Conway was up there but wasn't involved frequently enough (understandably given the conditions) and Henshaw was going great guns until his injury, hope he's okay.

    Delighted for Larmour (is it just me or the soggy pitch but he seemed to lack his usual burst of acceleration?). Having a fullback who can attack with purpose and pass will be massive for us. I thought Earls was sensational off the bench. But look at his numbers on ESPN and you'd say he did fanny all bar two passed and tackles. All the subs did well really. Stockdale was mixed and made bad decisions ball in hand along with some good ones.

    Onwards, hope we can build on this

    Edit: this is in the wrong thread,meant to respond in match thread but sure here is as good as anywhere


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  • #5502
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,981 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The old non bonus point 6 nations it would matter as we found out to our advantage

    The chance of ending up on even points and going down to tries will be very very slim...

    IRB World Rankings, I meant, just to clarify.


  • #5503
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I doubt that they will make much difference, only if it gave Wales a losing bonus

    Ireland are 1.08 ahead of Wales in the world rugby rankings. But for that late try, we would have been 1.82. Could be the difference in getting a top 4 seeding for the next world cup. Not complaining as very happy with the result.


  • #5504
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 12,709 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    leakyboots wrote: »
    Usual guff from the usual talking heads about POM. Makes this place hard to visit. I don't know why I'm responding as I gave up on it a while back but sure...

    Top tackler at the time of his substitution, finished 2nd behind Ryan over the 80.

    "He didn't contribute anything in attack" - he ran 3m less than JvdF… same carries (only 4 each). Made one more pass than JvdF. If you're to go on those stats neither offered much going forward and, for some number worshippers, consequentially had bad games... Which is not true for either of them. Oh and he was primary latch to get Furlong over for his try.

    I wonder... could it be that POM is... not there to give us constant go forward...? That maybe his skillset is being used elsewhere. I thought James Ryan didn't kick the ball enough today, shocking given the conditions!

    Anyway, POM robbed lineout ball. Gave us great lineout ball in a f**king orange weather alert. Pain in the hole at rucktime all day on a day when Wales put a good squeeze on us early on. Made his tackles, gave away a couple of penalties, I'm delighted for his sake he played well because some people just refuse to give him credit no matter what and spout guff. Had a very good day at the office.

    I thought he was in with a shout got MOTM but Stander deservedly got it. Conway was up there but wasn't involved frequently enough (understandably given the conditions) and Henshaw was going great guns until his injury, hope he's okay.

    Delighted for Larmour (is it just me or the soggy pitch but he seemed to lack his usual burst of acceleration?). Having a fullback who can attack with purpose and pass will be massive for us. I thought Earls was sensational off the bench. But look at his numbers on ESPN and you'd say he did fanny all bar two passed and tackles. All the subs did well really. Stockdale was mixed and made bad decisions ball in hand along with some good ones.

    Onwards, hope we can build on this

    Wrong thread maybe?

    POM had a good game, in fact I think the entire team, including subs, all had good games.
    We really upped the intensity today and for the most part our accuracy was way better than last week. We got around the Welsh rush defense a number of times today with some excellent play and only for some sloppy decision making and excellent scramble defense we could of had a few more scores. Farrell should be happy with that display but we will need to up it again against the English next time out.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #5505
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    blackcard wrote: »
    Ireland are 1.08 ahead of Wales in the world rugby rankings. But for that late try, we would have been 1.82. Could be the difference in getting a top 4 seeding for the next world cup. Not complaining as very happy with the result.

    Honestly, the need for people to find the negatives from a 5-0 win over reigning GS champions is telling. It's also really dull.


  • #5506
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    leakyboots wrote: »
    Usual guff from the usual talking heads about POM. Makes this place hard to visit. I don't know why I'm responding as I gave up on it a while back but sure...

    Top tackler at the time of his substitution, finished 2nd behind Ryan over the 80.

    "He didn't contribute anything in attack" - he ran 3m less than JvdF… same carries (only 4 each). Made one more pass than JvdF. If you're to go on those stats neither offered much going forward and, for some number worshippers, consequentially had bad games... Which is not true for either of them. Oh and he was primary latch to get Furlong over for his try.

    I wonder... could it be that POM is... not there to give us constant go forward...? That maybe his skillset is being used elsewhere. I thought James Ryan didn't kick the ball enough today, shocking given the conditions!

    Anyway, POM robbed lineout ball. Gave us great lineout ball in a f**king orange weather alert. Pain in the hole at rucktime all day on a day when Wales put a good squeeze on us early on. Made his tackles, gave away a couple of penalties, I'm delighted for his sake he played well because some people just refuse to give him credit no matter what and spout guff. Had a very good day at the office.

    I thought he was in with a shout got MOTM but Stander deservedly got it. Conway was up there but wasn't involved frequently enough (understandably given the conditions) and Henshaw was going great guns until his injury, hope he's okay.

    Delighted for Larmour (is it just me or the soggy pitch but he seemed to lack his usual burst of acceleration?). Having a fullback who can attack with purpose and pass will be massive for us. I thought Earls was sensational off the bench. But look at his numbers on ESPN and you'd say he did fanny all bar two passed and tackles. All the subs did well really. Stockdale was mixed and made bad decisions ball in hand along with some good ones.

    Onwards, hope we can build on this

    Edit: this is in the wrong thread,meant to respond in match thread but sure here is as good as anywhere

    Literally nobody is saying POM had a bad game.


  • #5507
    eclipsechaser
    Registered Users Posts: 878 ✭✭✭eclipsechaser


    molloyjh wrote: »
    Honestly, the need for people to find the negatives from a 5-0 win over reigning GS champions is telling. It's also really dull.

    I don't see the issue with being delighted on the back of a superb win but still wishing we had more wiggle-room in the RWC seedings because of a last-minute try.


  • #5508
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    eclipsechaser wrote: »
    I don't see the issue with being delighted on the back of a superb win but still wishing we had more wiggle-room in the RWC seedings because of a last-minute try.

    The problem is this poster is only doing the latter.

    Either way, in the rankings there's a whole boat load of variables. Anyone thinking you can go back 10 months at and attribute final standing tona single score like that simply has an agenda.


  • #5509
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    To pick a team that I think would do a job on England I would go with

    Healy, Herring, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, Stander, VDF, Doris, Murray, Sexton, Conway, Aki, Henshaw, Earls, Larmour

    POM on bench, I know I said before I wouldnt want him on bench but I do get the point from Wood saying to have a captain to finish the game. Especially in Twickers.

    People will point to Doris more or less have debut in Twickenham but I am sure McCloskey done the same years ago, maybe Dillane as well and they done well.

    England know and have done a number on our pack, Doris would be something new. I think Healy done enough today to hold place over Kilcoyne but not a huge change if swapped.


  • #5510
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    Marvellous having Porter and Killer to bring on as subs.


  • #5511
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,006 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    Marvellous having Porter and Killer to bring on as subs.
    And Kelleher. Thought he had a very busy cameo.


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  • #5512
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    To pick a team that I think would do a job on England I would go with

    Healy, Herring, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, Stander, VDF, Doris, Murray, Sexton, Conway, Aki, Henshaw, Conway, Larmour

    POM on bench, I know I said before I wouldnt want him on bench but I do get the point from Wood saying to have a captain to finish the game. Especially in Twickers.

    People will point to Doris more or less have debut in Twickenham but I am sure McCloskey done the same years ago, maybe Dillane as well and they done well.

    England know and have done a number on our pack, Doris would be something new. I think Healy done enough today to hold place over Kilcoyne but not a huge change if swapped.

    Conway was indeed excellent today. I’d still prefer to have someone else on the other wing though rather than him covering both positions.


  • #5513
    Zetor19
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    To be number 4 in the world we need to get to a World Cup semi final. That’s the only ranking that counts.


  • #5514
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    To be number 4 in the world we need to get to a World Cup semi final. That’s the only ranking that counts.


    Sorry I didnt realize the World Cup was in 2020


  • #5515
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sorry I didnt realize the World Cup was in 2020

    It's on next week down in Bective. Why else have a week off in the best rugby competition in the world but to make way for the second best......


  • #5516
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Conway was indeed excellent today. I’d still prefer to have someone else on the other wing though rather than him covering both positions.




    Sorry typo, I meant to have Earls at 14


  • #5517
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,981 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sorry typo, I meant to have Earls at 14

    Conway is fantastic at the kick chase, and also has a cannon of a boot, so it's not a terrible idea to have him cover two positions to be fair.


  • #5518
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Conway is fantastic at the kick chase, and also has a cannon of a boot, so it's not a terrible idea to have him cover two positions to be fair.


    Conway has been fantastic this season, ever since the warm up games. I would have loved to see him get more game time at WC but he didnt


    Since he came into side he has done excellent.....


    Stockdale will be class, he is the future but Earls had great display off bench today so he needs to come in. Henshaw was back to his best before he went off so he starts as well.


  • #5519
    tryagain
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭tryagain


    Great stuff today the lads fought like they were underdogs and fought for each other they smashed a very good Wales side .
    Thought Kelleher looked very good off bench I think if we beat Italy with bonus and beat France we should win six nations


  • #5520
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,742 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Don't think he has got much of a mention, but I thought Rob Herring had another good game. The lineout has been immaculate the last two weeks and he does a lot of work in the right and is a keen carrier. He is definitely justifying his selection.


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  • #5521
    tryagain
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭tryagain


    Agree Rob Herring had another good game . I think or hope in time Kelleher will bring xfactor I wonder would Doris be an improvement on back row thought Cooney looked good also look when he game on can he be an upgrade on Murray ??.


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