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21-07-2019, 23:37   #61
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Really delighted to see Lynsey Sharp get a moment like today, especially after all the abuse she's taken for speaking out about the Caster Semenya issue. Easy to forget she'd be an Olympic medallist if the rules that are currently being enforced had been in place back in 2016.

Bit disappointed Hassan didn't do better today, but she has done a lot of racing recently. I still think she can get the world record, would just need to be better rested. Also she hasn't a hope of beating Obiri in Doha if she let's it come down to the last couple of laps, will need to push the pace more in the middle.
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Anyway, kinda scary to see how good Jakob is at such a young age. I wonder how good he'll be in 3 or 4 years time.
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Absolutely huge performance for Ciara with a 4:19.03. It'll probably get lost in the placing as 1500/mile is swimming in depth right now. 3.5 second PB and equivalent to 3:59.7 for 1500. She probably went through 1500 tonight at close to or faster than 1500 PB too. Really good sign for her to say the least.
IAAF points tables have Ciara’s mile equivalent to 4:00.7. That’s the best one to go off. She’s not a sub 4 1500 runner tbh. Not yet. She’ll get there.
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IAAF points tables have Ciara’s mile equivalent to 4:00.7. That’s the best one to go off. She’s not a sub 4 1500 runner tbh. Not yet. She’ll get there.
The mile is so rarely run that the IAAF tables aren't great for conversions on the 1500/mile. I used the NCAA conversion tables. She went through 1500 in 4:01.21, 0.5 is a little slim when it comes to degradation from 1500 to mile.
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The mile is so rarely run that the IAAF tables aren't great for conversions on the 1500/mile. I used the NCAA conversion tables. She went through 1500 in 4:01.21, 0.5 is a little slim when it comes to degradation from 1500 to mile.
To show you the problem with the tables when it comes to this.

Yomif Kejelcha Indoor Mile WR(3:47.01)= 1304pts
Hicham El Gueruouj 1500m WR(3:26.00)= 1302 pts
Hicham El Gueruouj Mile WR(3:43.13)= 1292pts

Is Yomif Kejelcha's Indoor Mile WR the strongest 1500/mile performance of alk-time?
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The mile is so rarely run that the IAAF tables aren't great for conversions on the 1500/mile. I used the NCAA conversion tables. She went through 1500 in 4:01.21, 0.5 is a little slim when it comes to degradation from 1500 to mile.
Maybe you're right, but it is just an extra 109 metres.

The 0.5 seconds doesn't tell the full story though. How fast did Ciara run the last 109 metres? Was she hanging on after almost being flat out at the 1500 mark, or did she finish like a train (I've no idea as the camera was on Hassan).
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To show you the problem with the tables when it comes to this.

Yomif Kejelcha Indoor Mile WR(3:47.01)= 1304pts
Hicham El Gueruouj 1500m WR(3:26.00)= 1302 pts
Hicham El Gueruouj Mile WR(3:43.13)= 1292pts

Is Yomif Kejelcha's Indoor Mile WR the strongest 1500/mile performance of alk-time?
I don't think the indoor points are supposed to be compared to the outdoor points. They are separate tables. The same way men's times can't be compared to women's. Again separate tables.
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Maybe you're right, but it is just an extra 109 metres.

The 0.5 seconds doesn't tell the full story though. How fast did Ciara run the last 109 metres? Was she hanging on after almost being flat out at the 1500 mark, or did she finish like a train (I've no idea as the camera was on Hassan).
She pretty much dead even split it which is how I could predict her being close to or slightly faster than her PB in that post. You're overthinking it here I think. 109m makes a difference because it takes away your ability to sprint earlier and there is a fatigue factor, it's why people thought it was really bold of Kejelcha to target both records in one race earlier this year.

The problem with the IAAF scoring tables isn't the tables themselves, it's the way people use them that's a problem. They are a competitive equivalence, not a cross referenced time equivalent. Smaller sample sizes from events that have less exposure or people running will create less accurate predictions. They shouldn't be used to predict times, they can be used to say a 12.7 100 guy is as competitive against his peers in his event as a 17:20 5k guy is in his event or whatever(just an example), not that the times are the same.

The NCAA conversion tables for 1500/mile are the opposite, they are not created to illustrate competitiveness, they are created for time equivalance. It seems like a very small difference but it's very important when it comes to getting a time equivalence vs a competitive equivalence. Depth matters more in the IAAF tables, time is matters more in NCAA conversions

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This is probably a better way to put it. Why do the IAAF tables get updated and change regularly? Surely a 4:19.03 mile should be equivalent to a 4:00.7 1500 all the time if time was the equivalent factor?

Why does the NCAA mile to 1500 conversion never change and has been the same since the 60's?
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Dalilah Muhammad broke the 400m hurdles world record at the US national champs last night with a time of 52.20.
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No Caster Semenya at this year's World Championships after her appeal failed. I imagine this means there won't be any Niyonsaba or Wambui either, so Ajee Wilson should be the big favourite heading into Doha.
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Big story of the weekend was Konstanze Klosterhalfen solo running her way to 14:26 at the 5k of the German National Championships. She lapped everyone except the 2nd placed Alina Reh, who finished in the *slightly* slower time of 15:19. Doha shall be very interesting indeed, I'm already excited!
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Birmingham entry lists out, including our own Sarah Healy who'll be running against the likes of Klosterhalfen, Debues-Stafford and McColgan in the Women's Mile.
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No thoughts on Paris?

Conseslus Kipruto returned to the steeplechase but could only manage 6th with a time of 8:13. Thomas Barr finished last in the 400m hurdles.
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