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23-05-2017, 13:31   #106
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A reasonable number of the new recruits have left the company not long after they started,
Any idea why?
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Any idea why?
No idea - but several of the driver contributors here have posted that fact.

Recruitment is an issue - you can have all the buses you want but without drivers to drive them they won't be going anywhere. If they cannot recruit and retain staff there will be problems.

To date virtually all of the new drivers and buses have been used to maintain existing schedules rather than add extra ones. There have been some limited morning peak extras on certain corridors and three new single departure routes to DCU added, but virtually no expansion of overall service levels.

At a time when the city badly needs extra services on most routes, the response has been well below what is needed.
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BK: It's a vicious circle:

1) Provide inadequate bus service.
2) Customers try it a few times.
3) Customers are late for work / left at bus stop
4) Customers never use it again.
5) Causes more cars on the road.
6) CIE concludes there must be lack of demand (Outlying suburbs, Bus Eireann services in Cork etc suffer this dramatically).
7) Go to 1.
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Even if not a single bus was added (which you'd have to be very foolish to believe) clearing cars out of the way would increase the speed of the existing bus journeys. It would be very difficult to argue that isn't an improvement for bus users, which means the majority of people.

Those who are incapable of moving on from the idea they should be entitled to drive their private car wherever they want, whenever they want are really clutching at straws here.

I guess that is the unfortunate (for them) other side of the AAs argument that we can't do anything to reduce pandering to private cars until public transport is good enough (whatever that means). Public transport is already good enough in Dublin city centre to transport the majority of people. Now is the time we follow through, making it even better by taking space away from inefficient users of the public space.
Exactly. Even without buying a single extra bus you can shift many more people buy banning cars because a single bus can now make more journeys in and out of town in the same period.

Time some unpopular decisions were made to give massive priority to public transport and cycling.
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23-05-2017, 23:14   #110
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No idea - but several of the driver contributors here have posted that fact.

Recruitment is an issue - you can have all the buses you want but without drivers to drive them they won't be going anywhere. If they cannot recruit and retain staff there will be problems.

To date virtually all of the new drivers and buses have been used to maintain existing schedules rather than add extra ones. There have been some limited morning peak extras on certain corridors and three new single departure routes to DCU added, but virtually no expansion of overall service levels.

At a time when the city badly needs extra services on most routes, the response has been well below what is needed.
Busdriver recruitment into Dublin Bus is not quite "the issue" many contributors suggest.

With recruitment currently "on hold",there remain several hundred existing applicants,awaiting the resumption Training activity.

Significantly more than 90% of those drivers recruited since the current drive began in 2014 remain in the company,becoming appointed to the permanent staff on completion of a satisfactory 12 month probation period.

This is an extremely high staff retention rate in an industry where,the mix of highly anti-social shift working,poor image and a,sometimes fickle or aggressve customer base,all contribute to high turnover rates.

One of the most restrictive elements industry wide,is the age profile for new entrants to the Busdriving world.
One needs to be 21, if the holder of a valid Certificate of Proffessional Competency or 24 without one.

These age limits need to be reassesssed at E.U. level,as they exclude a large pool of enthusiastic and eminently trainable 18+ year olds,many of whom would be prepared to make a career within the Industry,but are well established elsewhere by the time their 21st has come around.

It is 30+ years since Dublin Bus embarked upon the City Swift programme,which was based upon the policy of the then MD,Bob Montgomery,that 10 Minutes,was the maximum waiting time a potential passenger was comfortable with.

Today,30 years later,we still have far too many routes with 20 - 30 minute headways.

It is to be hoped that Jarret Walker's review may result in a focus on improved frequencies across the system,but unless it is understood and implemented,then it will be just another report for the Top Shelf.

Frequency Sells !
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That's good news Alek although some other driver posters here were suggesting otherwise which is what I was basing my comment on. If the issue of retention is not as great as they have suggested, then I'm happy to be corrected.

However, it still does not change the fact that the lack of expansion of the bus service (in terms of frequency on key routes) is woeful - the service has not expanded to meet the upswing in the economy - it's far too far behind it.

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That's good news Alek although some other driver posters here were suggesting otherwise which is what I was basing my comment on. If the issue of retention is not as great as they have suggested, then I'm happy to be corrected.

However, it still does not change the fact that the lack of expansion of the bus service (in terms of frequency on key routes) is woeful - the service has not expanded to meet the upswing in the economy - it's far too far behind it.
Depending upon the Day,Weather,and frame of mind of the individual,I have been robustly assured that 90%....yes....NINETY PER CENT of ALL the new entrants had left the job within the first 3 months.

There are always people,staff and outside observers alike,who's Glass is permanently half-full,and emptying rapidly.
Very little positivity ever lights up their world,and the dark storm clouds of doom'n gloom tend to hover menacingly over each and every topic.

Reality,when it intrudes,does tend to provide a chink of sunlight,with the reality that Full Time steadily paid Driving jobs with a high degree of Job Security and support are valued as a rule,particularly by those who experienced the worst of our Fiscal Collapse at first hand,of which group,there are now many working as Busdrivers.

The nature of Busdriving,worldwide,makes it an employment category unsuitable for a large cohort of people.

Shift Work,often of the most intrusive kind,and the constant requirement to deal effectively,yet firmly & fairly,with a vast swathe of humanity is not something which many people can combine with the actual mechanics of Urban Bus Driving,without at times,suffering a moment of self-doubt and what iff'ery.

Each year,in Garages throughout the City,Drivers retire after 30 to 40 years service,and do so often with reluctance,whilst in many cases their colleagues of far lesser service grind their teeth in glum exasperation,at the prospect of having to work on...

Eventually,I feel,Society will recognise the sense in allowing the 66 year old positive and happy Driver to simply work on,whilst facilitating the unhappy,dour uncomfortable staff member to head off to newer and greener pastures,perhaps with a little gratuity (and a smile )

Oh and BTW, you are 100% correct,we...as in Dublin Bus/The NTA/and The Dept of Transport are FAR behind the upswing...but they are playing a cautious waiting game...Just in Case......( It's a Irish thing)
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