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Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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    #32
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If people believe that the EU elections were to be used as a proxy for a second referendum, then the figures coming in so far appear to show a very strong support for (a hard) Brexit at over 30%, voters who chose Conservative or Labour candidates probably put party loyalty before choosing Brexit or remain by switching to Liberal Democrats.
    The Greens have obviously picked up the votes from people who believe that environmental issues are more important than Brexit.

    The greens are absolutely a remain party.


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    #33
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Brexit paŕty gains and ukip losses cancel each other out


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    #34
    darem93
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    Headshot wrote: »
    That her party and especially herself is very impressive

    I'm a big fan of Sturgeon
    She really is brilliant. I think the SNP in general have been fantastic throughout this entire Brexit fiasco. Very clear in their vision but also willing to reach out and compromise when needed.


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    #35
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Brexit paŕty gains and ukip losses cancel each other out


    Does seem like that. I think there will be a increase in their vote from 2014, I consider the Brexit Party as UKIP for this purpose. I think the interesting question is what percentage of Labour remainers voted for other parties and what percentage stayed away as a protest.


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    #36
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Ann Widdecombe just elected as an MEP in the South East. The UK is in extremely dangerous territory if this is the calibre of person they are electing.

    Is there something to be said for just letting them leave with no deal at this stage, as they will be forced to accept the backstop within days anyway, if they want any sort of trade deal.

    Philip Hammond basically said today that he and others will vote to bring down the government, rather than allow a No Deal exit. But is it their choice to make?

    Won't it basically come down to whether the EU lets the UK crash out in October, or grants another extension?


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    #37
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The ninth thread.
    Whatever about where this saga ends, I wonder how many threads this will have generated before the story runs out of steam.

    Anyone want to take a punt on when the story moves on?!


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    #38
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I wonder if we'll have a pro-Europe PM.


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    #39
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Perfect analogy for this whole debacle. NI just isn’t there

    https://twitter.com/colmogorman/status/1132754695678828552?s=21


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    #40
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    It nearly doesn't matter a damn who the UK send, they'll be gone before the disrupters can do any damage. At most this, combined with the local elections can be seen as a portent for the next GE but as that's single vote FPTP it probably isn't even that really.


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    #41
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,797 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Brexit "Party" is the easiest bit of politicking in history. A one-line manifesto that deals with no social policy in an already polarising territory.


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    #42
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Perfect analogy for this whole debacle. NI just isn’t there

    https://twitter.com/colmogorman/status/1132754695678828552?s=21

    Someone tell O'Gorman the boxes have not been opened as it's God's day (or was it's Monday now) so they are irrelevant as of now.


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    #43
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Based on todays results it looks like a 2nd referendum would vote remain by a landslide


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    #44
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,616 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    The Brexit "Party" is the easiest bit of politicking in history. A one-line manifesto that deals with no social policy in an already polarising territory.

    Nice bit of money to the cheeky folks of brexit party. They'll be rubbing their hands with glee


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    #45
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    The interviews with the Brexit MEPs thinking they will go to the EU and change the negotiations that have been concluded is something else. They want to leave by October 31st and the new EU Commission only starts their work on the 1st November. So they want to change the deal and will do it from the inside the EU but there will not be anyone to negotiate with.

    Also, they all want to leave by the 31st October and want to make themselves unemployed. Also, well done to the people of the UK by voting for the Brexit Party, the party of the people who just voted another Rees-Mogg to represent you to make your lives better. You cannot help those that refuse to be helped.


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    #46
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    In Wales & Scotland. The Brexit Party has been been hopping mad in those areas. They are at 32% in Wales & 15% in Scotland.

    Farage's seat result is now being called live on the BBC One/News Channel in Southampton.


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    #47
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    I follow a lot of Leave figures such as Heaver, Tice and Daubney on Twitter. Cannot believe the likes of them, Widdecombe and others will be in the European Parliament. Brexit is just bonkers.


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    #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Based on todays results it looks like a 2nd referendum would vote remain by a landslide

    How? Few percent in it between the BP + UKIP and LD+GP+CHUK. And with 37% turnout I don't think you can extrapolate too far.


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    #49
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Shelga wrote: »
    Is there something to be said for just letting them leave with no deal at this stage, as they will be forced to accept the backstop within days anyway, if they want any sort of trade deal.

    This has been my opinion all along. It was a mistake to give them any extension beyond April 12th.


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    #50
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Such a pity that Change UK didn't call themselves the Remain Party.

    Or garner a coalition of remainers or something sensible like that.

    I have to say the Remain side were abysmal. They did not rebut much and were very fractured party wise.

    So now we see the result.


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    #51
    Rjd2
    Registered Users Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    listermint wrote: »
    Nice bit of money to the cheeky folks of brexit party. They'll be rubbing their hands with glee

    Not sure what Nigel will do if they ever actually leave the EU. :pac:
    Crap jokes aside, no matter what you think of their "politics" they have performed very well tonight. ChangeUK who have lots of money and some interesting people have absolutely bombed.

    I suppose if The Tories are looking for crumbs tonight,they know the hardcore remainers won't defect their anytime soon.


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    #52
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Farage is now taking to the podium about his victory in the South East of England.


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    #53
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In Farages own constituency he couldn't get a majority of seats.


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    #54
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Like him or loathe, Farage is right at this stage. The UK should leave. There is no arguing with what the people are saying here.


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    #55
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,616 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Not sure what Nigel will do if they ever actually leave the EU. :pac:
    Crap jokes aside, no matter what you think of their "politics" they have performed very well tonight. ChangeUK who have lots of money and some interesting people have absolutely bombed.

    I suppose if The Tories are looking for crumbs tonight,they know the hardcore remainers won't defect their anytime soon.

    As has been explained already. Brexit haven't done well.

    It's merely farage taking his voters with him.this isn't a new party its just farage minority supporters coming with him. Same old same old

    He can't get into government himself but he can leech off a minority of people who come out to eu elections and his message is simple.

    But they still have not majority mandate. Remain wins out simply.


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    #56
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,616 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Like him or loathe, Farage is right at this stage. The UK should leave. There is no arguing with what the people are saying here.

    He's not right.

    There is no landslide here.

    None.


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    #57
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Like him or loathe, Farage is right at this stage. The UK should leave. There is no arguing with what the people are saying here.

    There are 30-40% max of voters who want a no deal exit. That is of the ones who can be bothered to vote.

    There is no mandate for a no deal exit.

    *Edit: That doesn't mean it won't happen, of course!


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    #58
    BobbyBobberson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭BobbyBobberson


    Remain vote split between 4 or 5 parties, Leave has not been. You would swear that the whole country had voted for the Brexit Party.


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    #59
    Rjd2
    Registered Users Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    listermint wrote: »
    As has been explained already. Brexit haven't done well.

    It's merely farage taking his voters with him.this isn't a new party its just farage minority supporters coming with him. Same old same old

    He can't get into government himself but he can leech off a minority of people who come out to eu elections and his message is simple.

    But they still have not majority mandate. Remain wins out simply.

    Party has only been been set up for six weeks, it's not the landslide that some expected, but its a comprehensive result nonetheless.


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    #60
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    In the South East, where Farage was just elected, their votes were less than the Greens, Libdems and Change UK. How anyone can state with certainty that the results mean clearly one side or the other when there is still no majority is ludicrous.


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    #61
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,616 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Party has only been been set up for six weeks, it's not the landslide that some expected, but its a comprehensive result nonetheless.

    Party has been setup for a decade. It's allied farage kip


    Anyone pretending it's a new party.

    Well , they're wrong


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