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11 year old charged with shooting toddler

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  • 06-08-2015 7:34am
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    thomasj
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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0806/719450-detroit-shooting/

    It's getting beyond redicilous at this stage. If ever there was proof that gun owners in US are not responsible enough to own guns this is it.

    It sounds like the 11-year-old thought it was a toy and was playing with it.

    I would love to see the owners of the gun, in this case charged with recklessness to set an example. It might teach others to think where they have their weapons so that their kids cannot find them or even go one step further and get rid of it. But we'll be back down this road in another few years! :rolleyes:


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    Guy:Incognito
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    Well with that wealth of information its easy to come to a rational conclusion. :rolleyes:

    How about the father was a criminal with an illegally held loaded gun hidden in the house that the kid found? How would banning guns have stopped that? Criminals have guns here too even though they're illegal.


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    thomasj wrote: »
    I would love to see the owners of the gun, in this case charged with recklessness to set an example.

    What is the crime of "recklessness"?


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    My God that poor little boy must be so so scared. He's just killed a little boy, more than likely by complete and utter accident because he was easily able to access a gun. He's now being treated like a criminal and being held in a detention centre without someone he loves being able to get him through the pain and horror of what just happened.

    Jesus that's just heartbreaking :(


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    kylith
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    If anyone should be locked up it's the dad for keeping a loaded weapon where a child could get it.


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    Guy:Incognito
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    My God that poor little boy must be so so scared. He's just killed a little boy, more than likely by complete and utter accident because he was easily able to access a gun. He's now being treated like a criminal and being held in a detention centre without someone he loves being able to get him through the pain and horror of what just happened.

    Jesus that's just heartbreaking :(

    To plays devils advocate, how do you know he even gives a ****? For all we know the kid could be in a gang (plenty are at his age) and be going on about how great he is. Its akin to any story involving someone in their 60's or above and they automatically get described like their are a harmless frail old person incapable of hurting anyone.

    Again, much more info needed. What little information there is reads like he knew what he was at regarding taking the gun. He dropped it out the window then went down and got it. If he thought it was a toy, he would have walked out the door with it.


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    thomasj
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What is the crime of "recklessness"?

    Sorry badly put!

    My point is, surely when you own a weapon, its your responsibility to ensure that it doesn't get into the wrong hands.


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    Menas
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    Charging the kid seems a bit mad. Perhaps that is standard procedure...but it on seeing the report on CNN it does sound like he was just playing - like 11 year olds do. Poor kid.

    When I was that age I found a shotgun cartridge at home and took it in to school. Yeah - that was not the most clever thing I have ever done.


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    thomasj
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Again, much more info needed.

    Yep true, there is not enough information , but the us news networks seem to be pointing to the kid getting his dads gun from the closet. They could be wrong and we may find out but if not that's a case of not ensuring that your weapon does not fall into the wrong hands


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    darkpagandeath
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    You are more lightly to be shot by a child in the USA than a terrorist.


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    Poor Uncle Tom
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    The sobering thing in all this, and probably the best argument for getting rid of guns altogether is, if you google say "5 year old shoots..." you get a myriad of news stories, a full catalog of tragedies that could be avoided.

    However, no lesson learned, we are reading yet another one of those stories today. The time for change has long since passed, it's just sickening now, to the very point of racial disdain.


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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    it's just sickening now, to the very point of racial disdain.

    What does this mean?


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    Cookie_Monster
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You are more lightly to be shot by a child in the USA than a terrorist.

    beware the child terrorists!!


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    Guy:Incognito
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    beware the child terrorists!!

    It's all good, being lightly shot is no biggy.


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    NotCominBack
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    Menas wrote: »
    Charging the kid seems a bit mad. Perhaps that is standard procedure...but it on seeing the report on CNN it does sound like he was just playing - like 11 year olds do. Poor kid.

    When I was that age I found a shotgun cartridge at home and took it in to school. Yeah - that was not the most clever thing I have ever done.

    Not just standard procedure, read about Paul Gingerich 12 years old, 35 years for taking part in killing a man, might have been reduced lately, but non uncommon for kids to be treated as adults in U.S.


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    Stheno
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    No one wins in this scenariobits tragic


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    Greenmachine
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    Some parents. Feel for the kids.


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    Poor Uncle Tom
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What does this mean?

    Good catch, I did mean national distain, I think the flavour of the post gave that after all America isn't a race and I think we all agree that most of this happens in the US.


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    thomasj
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-11-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-death-of-3-year-old/

    A bit more information from cbs

    From that article
    Authorities told CBS Detroit the boys had been "playing with" the gun. Exactly who was supposed to be watching the boys is unclear."


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    NachoBusiness
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    Reminds me of this story from a couple of years back.

    Happens here though. Knew of one lad who accidentally shot himself with a gun back around 89. His brother ran to his room and found him. He never got over seeing what he did on opening that door by all accounts. Mate of mine had a farm in Kinsley also and one summer in the mid 80s I remember us messing around and finding a shotgun in one of the rooms and running around after one another playing with it. No idea if it was loaded or not but I suspect we could have shot one another by mistake easily enough. Luck plays more a part in these things than we'd like to think I suspect.

    There was also that recent two year old who killed his mother in a Walmart store around six months back after he found a gun in her purse. Maybe the safety on weapons needs to be a more complex mechanism to prevent such incidents? Fcuk knows what the solution is.


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    Raging_Ninja
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    NachoBusiness wrote: »
    Reminds me of this story from a couple of years back.

    Happens here though. Knew of one lad who accidentally shot himself with a gun back around 89. His brother ran to his room and found him. He never got over seeing what he did on opening that door by all accounts. Mate of mine had a farm in Kinsley also and one summer in the mid 80s I remember us messing around and finding a shotgun in one of the rooms and running around after one another playing with it. No idea if it was loaded or not but I suspect we could have shot one another by mistake easily enough. Luck plays more a part in these things than we'd like to think I suspect.

    There was also that recent two year old who killed his mother in a Walmart store around six months back after he found a gun in her purse. Maybe the safety on weapons needs to be a more complex mechanism to prevent such incidents? Fcuk knows what the solution is.

    The exact same thing as this story happened to Sean Lemass and his little brother as well.


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    DarkyHughes
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Well with that wealth of information its easy to come to a rational conclusion. :rolleyes:

    How about the father was a criminal with an illegally held loaded gun hidden in the house that the kid found? How would banning guns have stopped that? Criminals have guns here too even though they're illegal.

    It would have made it harder for him to buy a gun. Plus if he was a bad criminal he might not have enough money to buy a gun on the black market.


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    DarkyHughes
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You are more lightly to be shot by a child in the USA than a terrorist.

    That's because a child usually weighs less.


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    foggy_lad
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    Menas wrote: »
    Charging the kid seems a bit mad. Perhaps that is standard procedure...but it on seeing the report on CNN it does sound like he was just playing - like 11 year olds do. Poor kid.

    When I was that age I found a shotgun cartridge at home and took it in to school. Yeah - that was not the most clever thing I have ever done.

    From a statement by one of the police involved on the news earlier they "have a specific reason for charging the boy and detaining him which they could not go into at the time". so either something was said that led them to believe it was a deliberate act(gang involvement?) or that was the only way they could get the boy out of the custody of the parents?


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    sinead88
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    The gun lobby crowd will probably come out saying that all toddlers should be armed in order to defend themselves against such happenings. In all seriousness though, gun control in the US is just insane. How many more people have to die before it's seriously reviewed? I think it's easy to think of America as having a similar culture to ours because we speak the same language, but it's very different in a lot of ways.


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    shampoosuicide
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    NachoBusiness wrote: »
    Reminds me of this story from a couple of years back.

    Happens here though. Knew of one lad who accidentally shot himself with a gun back around 89. His brother ran to his room and found him. He never got over seeing what he did on opening that door by all accounts. Mate of mine had a farm in Kinsley also and one summer in the mid 80s I remember us messing around and finding a shotgun in one of the rooms and running around after one another playing with it. No idea if it was loaded or not but I suspect we could have shot one another by mistake easily enough. Luck plays more a part in these things than we'd like to think I suspect.

    There was also that recent two year old who killed his mother in a Walmart store around six months back after he found a gun in her purse. Maybe the safety on weapons needs to be a more complex mechanism to prevent such incidents? Fcuk knows what the solution is.

    :D WTF that news story you linked cannot possibly be real..

    blurb at the bottom: How young is too young for kids to have guns?

    this has done me. i'm done.


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    thomasj
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    From the link above to the CNN story
    A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old sonto accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said.

    :eek: wtf! Who in their sane right mind buys their 5 year old son a rifle? I'm lost for words!


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