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Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

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    #362
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    Well, what I was really thinking was who in our garage put them there. Never heard of ACRA before I seen the leaflets.

    Defined in one of the docs as "Administration of Combined Residence Association"


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    #363
    StreetLight
    Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    These leaflets have popped up all over the bus garage. With some interesting views on saving the bus service. No idea who put there there.

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/quay-bus-flow-2018.pdf

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/civic-plaza-solution.pdf

    Ex-Dublin Bus driver Tom Newton. He's involved with ACRA.


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    #364
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    Contra flow ideas seem solid IMO. As does his plaza ideas.


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    #365
    Phil.x
    Registered Users Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    thomasj wrote: »
    It's a fair point but the other option would be standing at the bus stop for another 20 minutes so j understand why people do it .

    In fairness, in my case I've never been on a bus where the driver has let people stand on the stairs or upstairs. It's a no no!

    It's always crammed downstairs though

    This is no normal service since the luas.


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    #366
    Phil.x
    Registered Users Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    These leaflets have popped up all over the bus garage. With some interesting views on saving the bus service. No idea who put there there.

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/quay-bus-flow-2018.pdf

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/civic-plaza-solution.pdf
    I think the new pedestrian area in the link looks bigger than the actual physical space there, it's not a big area.


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    #367
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭trellheim


    DB since BXD opening has been absolute pants in the core

    I cannot see any way of improving it unless we pull BXD which wont happen

    Removing Cars wont do it , or taxis or even both

    Cars off Bachelors is lipstick on a pig it wont fix it but its D'Olier and College St thats the problem and thats all buses and LUAS


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    #368
    Stephen15
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    The problem in my opinion is not College Green it's the lack of alternative routes to College Green aren't either heavily congested by cars and taxis or going to leave passengers miles from their destination in the city centre.


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    #369
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    trellheim wrote: »
    DB since BXD opening has been absolute pants in the core

    I cannot see any way of improving it unless we pull BXD which wont happen

    Removing Cars wont do it , or taxis or even both

    Cars off Bachelors is lipstick on a pig it wont fix it but its D'Olier and College St thats the problem and thats all buses and LUAS

    Removing cars off Bachelor's Walk, Burgh Quay, Eden Quay, and the other quay is not about making the buses flow more smoothly through College Green, it's about opening up alternative routes for those buses. Do that, and you can easily route buses via Tara Street and Parliament Street (which could and should be made two way), and the amount of cars in areas around the banned zones would naturally decrease too as they shift further out.


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    #370
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Is it true that taxis will be banned going South on CG on 12th March in the mornings? Haven't heard much about it. Maybe was just a rumour.

    The ACRA proposals should be looked at. Doesn't matter about the origin, it suggests a solution of sorts which no one else has to date apart from banning this and that.

    But will the suggestions be examined I wonder?


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    #371
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭trellheim


    anyone got links to the council minutes


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    #372
    BowSideChamp
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    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    These leaflets have popped up all over the bus garage. With some interesting views on saving the bus service. No idea who put there there.

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/quay-bus-flow-2018.pdf

    http://www.acratu.com/assets/civic-plaza-solution.pdf

    The description and diagrams are confusing. Just on the contra-flow, the footpath along the Quays are too narrow for bus stops. You could hardly fit woman walking with a pram and people waiting on a bus. Granted it would provide the opportunity to widen the path and clear out the car parking spaces.


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    #373
    cython
    Registered Users Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭cython


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Is it true that taxis will be banned going South on CG on 12th March in the mornings? Haven't heard much about it. Maybe was just a rumour.

    The ACRA proposals should be looked at. Doesn't matter about the origin, it suggests a solution of sorts which no one else has to date apart from banning this and that.

    But will the suggestions be examined I wonder?

    Seems to be: https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/taxis-college-green-ban-14372107 (most recent article on it I could find, others are from Feb). Can see it being a mess and lots of ignorance pleaded if they don't publicise it a bit more between now and Monday morning.


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    #374
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Sure there are no signs on O'Connell bridge to say no right turn onto Eden quay


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    #375
    Last Stop
    Registered Users Posts: 920 ✭✭✭Last Stop


    In my opinion, there seems to be 2 different issues at play around college green.
    1. The Pearse St, College St. junction where you have several lanes merging together to try and fit into 1 going down college green.
    2. The buses turning right at college green towards Dame St. The filter lane isn't long enough to handle them.
    It's interesting to note that both of these areas were changed from the design drawings and the new cycle lane was added.
    Would a contra flow on D'Olier st help matters?
    If they could add an extra lane at the trinity luas stop junction (ie. split buses going up Grafton and Dame), it would improve matters significantly. Space would be tight but it would be possible. I would also be in favour of moving all traffic to the BOI side of college green and creating a new plaza on the other side. This would be the best of both worlds scenario where you still have a plaza but you also have buses travelling through college green. Also because the distance the buses going to Dame st. would have to travel is reduced, it could be accommodated in 1 traffic cycle, removing the need for the filter lane.


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    #376
    Ernest
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭Ernest


    Social Democrats now opposing these crazy plan to make a plaza in the middle of one of the busiest traffic junctions in Dublin.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/college-green-4-3895429-Mar2018/


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    #377
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    Took 25 mins to get from one end of Pearse St bus gate to the other yesterday.

    Result was one outward lap being cancelled .
    Lots of cold folk waiting for another 20 min on top of the original wait for another bus that might also not arrive.

    They need to be taking action on this crap now.
    People should be taking to the street and protesting about this complete and otter disaster brought on by high payed designers.


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    #378
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Stopping taxis heading South will only help the LUAS. It does nothing for buses getting caught on the North Quays and O'Connell Street, and does nothing for the Red Line LUAS.

    Everything is about the Green line LUAS from what I can see. Get onto your politicians if you don't like it.


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    #379
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    hmmm wrote: »
    Stopping taxis heading South will only help the LUAS. It does nothing for buses getting caught on the North Quays and O'Connell Street, and does nothing for the Red Line LUAS.

    Everything is about the Green line LUAS from what I can see. Get onto your politicians if you don't like it.

    It'll definitely help buses heading through College Green.


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    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    MJohnston wrote: »
    It'll definitely help buses heading through College Green.
    How?


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    #381
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    hmmm wrote: »
    MJohnston wrote: »
    It'll definitely help buses heading through College Green.
    How?
    Taxis occupying the right filter west onto Dame st for one.


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    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    hmmm wrote: »
    How?

    Because taxis heading south through College Green are filling up the right turn to Dame Street filter lane (which isn't that big), which blocks both trams but also buses that are heading both onto Dame Street, but also straight onto Grafton/Nassau Street.


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    #383
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Another way to look at this fiasco.

    Please don't fix posts. It's against the rules as it causes confusion / annoyance etc.

    -- moderator


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    #384
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    BowSideChamp wrote: »
    The description and diagrams are confusing. Just on the contra-flow, the footpath along the Quays are too narrow for bus stops. You could hardly fit woman walking with a pram and people waiting on a bus. Granted it would provide the opportunity to widen the path and clear out the car parking spaces.

    Imaginative use of the "Boardwalk" principle would go a great way towards solving this issue.

    The benefits of the Tom Newton proposal would most assuredly be in favour of Bus Passengers,but the knock-on effects would be felt across the modes.

    Eliminating those ultra problematic bus right-turns is enough of itself to merit a thorough inspection of this proposal.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #385
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Because taxis heading south through College Green are filling up the right turn to Dame Street filter lane (which isn't that big), which blocks both trams but also buses that are heading both onto Dame Street, but also straight onto Grafton/Nassau Street.

    In the short-term,and assuming the edge-tinkering with morning Taxi's will not achieve a lot,some consideration should be given to allowing buses to travel on the Southbound Luas line along the College Wall...as they do on Dawson Street.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    Ben D Bus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Imaginative use of the "Boardwalk" principle would go a great way towards solving this issue.

    The benefits of the Tom Newton proposal would most assuredly be in favour of Bus Passengers,but the knock-on effects would be felt across the modes.

    Eliminating those ultra problematic bus right-turns is enough of itself to merit a thorough inspection of this proposal.

    I like the contra-flow proposal and certainly think it's worthy of consideration. The only issue, if I read it correctly, is that it eliminates all practical possibility of buses overtaking each other? That's assuming high traffic volumes travelling in the opposing direction.

    I'll be honest and say reopening Suffolk St to vehicular traffic - in any direction - would be a retrograde step. Even in it's current form it's a vastly better street (for the people actually using it, rather than passing through it) than it was before being closed off. I also remember many contributors to this board pointing out just how dangerous it used to be in it's old guise.

    Parliament St and Tara St are better solutions than Suffolk St.

    I also expect Bus Connects to result in many more tangential routes which will skirt the core but not actually pass through it. So many of the current issues will cease to be problems then anyway.


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    #387
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    I also expect Bus Connects to result in many more tangential routes which will skirt the core but not actually pass through it. So many of the current issues will cease to be problems then anyway.

    by all accounts the Luas Cross-City trams are not that busy (even with the service not running at full capacity) - it would make sense for more bus routes to feed into the Luas at SSG and Parnell Sq rather than proceeding through CG. I assume that's one of the things Bus Connects will look at.


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    #388
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Woeful commute this morning. Was 20 minutes later than I was last week, which was already late as it was.


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    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,458 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    cherryghost wrote: »
    Woeful commute this morning. Was 20 minutes later than I was last week, which was already late as it was.

    Indeed, it was terrible this morning and the quays were all backed up.


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    #390
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,245 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    How is CG now that taxis are banned
    Passing by the other way this morning and saw a Garda there with flashing bike and didn't seem to notice any taxis


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    #391
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    loyatemu wrote: »
    by all accounts the Luas Cross-City trams are not that busy (even with the service not running at full capacity)

    Wouldn't really surprise me. I live and work beside luas stops but the 7 stop trip isn't even close to competitive with walking, even before factoring in that you can be waiting 15 to 20 minutes for a luas even at peak times.


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