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Isn't eternal life just as bad as eternal death?

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    #92
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    miss no stars wrote: »
    I'm not talking from an atheist standpoint; I'm talking from a scientific standpoint. Which is that there is no evidence therefore the probability of it existing is so small as to be negligibile.

    And what ever happened to attack the post, not the poster?

    goes out the window when someone is trolling ort just too dumb to comprehend when it has been spelled out for them many times sine they first started talking ****e, which to be fair is a possibility, there are lots of dumb people around afterall


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    #93
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    IM0 wrote: »
    goes out the window when someone is trolling ort just too dumb to comprehend when it has been spelled out for them many times sine they first started talking ****e, which to be fair is a possibility, there are lots of dumb people around afterall

    Actually I've been spelling it out. If there was any incomplete evidence at all then it would be 50/50. There's no evidence whatsoever. Different story altogether.


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    #94
    RexHamilton
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RexHamilton


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    the possibility of an after life is just as likely as no after life,its 50\50,nobody knows for definite either way so it is impossible to declare it either way.


    That's not true in the slightest. You're right that we can't prove whether an afterlife exists or not, but to suggest it's 50/50 is absurd.

    The evidence we have that there is nothing after you die. Your brain, the part of your body that makes you, you ceases to work and the rest of your organs cease to work meaning you decompose to the point that eventually no part of you remains.

    The evidence that there is an afterlife - None.

    To suggest that it's a 50/50 shot is ridiculous. The chances of an afterlife being the same as the chances of you flipping heads on a coin?? Really??


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    #95
    seb65
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    RexHamilton wrote: »

    The evidence we have that there is nothing after you die. Your brain, the part of your body that makes you, you ceases to work and the rest of your organs cease to work meaning you decompose to the point that eventually no part of you remains.

    The evidence that there is an afterlife - None.

    Wrong. People who were clinically dead and whose brains have shown no levels of functioning experienced subjective realities.


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    #96
    RexHamilton
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RexHamilton


    seb65 wrote: »
    Wrong. People who were clinically dead and whose brains have shown no levels of functioning experienced subjective realities.


    Go on and expand on that there.


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    #97
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    RexHamilton wrote: »
    That's not true in the slightest. You're right that we can't prove whether an afterlife exists or not, but to suggest it's 50/50 is absurd.

    The evidence we have that there is nothing after you die. Your brain, the part of your body that makes you, you ceases to work and the rest of your organs cease to work meaning you decompose to the point that eventually no part of you remains.

    The evidence that there is an afterlife - None.

    To suggest that it's a 50/50 shot is ridiculous. The chances of an afterlife being the same as the chances of you flipping heads on a coin?? Really??

    everything in life is a 50/50 to think otherwise is deluded thats just a general point for people who get so wrapped up in statistics

    you have just as much chance of being murdered on the way home tonight as not, stats are made to enforce agendas nothing more they dont prove ****


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    #98
    Shenshen
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shenshen


    seb65 wrote: »
    Wrong. People who were clinically dead and whose brains have shown no levels of functioning experienced subjective realities.

    Brain death is irreversible.
    There is partial brain death, from which some people do indeed recover, but nobody has yet ever been revived once all of their brain activity ceased.


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    #99
    Shenshen
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    IM0 wrote: »
    everything in life is a 50/50 to think otherwise is deluded thats just a general point for people who get so wrapped up in statistics

    you have just as much chance of being murdered on the way home tonight as not, stats are made to enforce agendas nothing more they dont prove ****

    Makes you wonder how so many people each week manage to not win the lottery, if the odds are 50/50 for everyone buying a ticket....


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    #100
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Makes you wonder how so many people each week manage to not win the lottery, if the odds are 50/50 for everyone buying a ticket....

    youre not getting this are you :o


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    #101
    Shenshen
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shenshen


    IM0 wrote: »
    youre not getting this are you :o

    I'd agree that stochastic mathematics wasn't my strongest subject at school, but I still think you've got that 50/50 idea arseways, sorry.


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    #102
    RexHamilton
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RexHamilton


    IM0 wrote: »
    youre not getting this are you :o


    You're the one not getting it!! If it was 50/50 that we'd get murdered on the way home then half of us would get murdered on the way home every night. It's not 50/50 because we're not getting murdered every night. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Everything in life is 50/50, even things that are mathematically not 50/50???


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    #103
    Duggy747
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    seb65 wrote: »
    Wrong. People who were clinically dead and whose brains have shown no levels of functioning experienced subjective realities.

    When the brain ceases to function then that's it, you're officially dead and not coming back.

    Clinically dead is when the heart stops but the brain is still going, albeit on limited oxygen.


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    #104
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    RexHamilton wrote: »
    You're the one not getting it!! If it was 50/50 that we'd get murdered on the way home then half of us would get murdered on the way home every night. It's not 50/50 because we're not getting murdered every night. This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Everything in life is 50/50, even things that are mathematically not 50/50???

    oh I get it, it just I dont agree with how stats run our lives. no such thing as 'safer' its right up there with the god arguement. well it can be stastically proven but stats are massively massively limited. I would argue stats are the new god


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    #105
    Aglomerado
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    IM0 wrote: »
    oh I get it, it just I dont agree with how stats run our lives. no such thing as 'safer' its right up there with the god arguement. well it can be stastically proven but stats are massively massively limited. I would argue stats are the new god

    Do you work for the CSO? :)


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    #106
    RexHamilton
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RexHamilton


    IM0 wrote: »
    oh I get it, it just I dont agree with how stats run our lives. no such thing as 'safer' its right up there with the god arguement. well it can be stastically proven but stats are massively massively limited, but I would argur stats are the new god


    Stats don't run my life. In fact, you're the one making up ridiculous stats. To say that it's 50/50 that I will get murdered tonight is fundementally incorrect.

    And there's no such thing as safer??

    Ok, You cross O'Connell Bridge 1000 times and I'll cross O'Connell Bridge 1000 times. You do it with your eyes closed and ear plugs in, in the middle of the bridge. I'll do it at the junction, with my eyes open waiting for the green man. Now of course, you could get over and back 1000 times and not get hit and I could cross at the green man and a driver breaks the red light and knocks me down. But are you claiming that my way would not be any safer than yours?


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    #107
    westcoast66
    Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭westcoast66


    Eternal Life/Immortality - lets think about the reality of that.

    In 50 years time most of your friends/family are dead.
    In 100 years time, ALL of your friends/family are dead.
    In 1000 years time, most of your culture is gone.
    In 100,000 years time, humans have evolved and you don't really understand them anymore.
    In 1M years time, humans are extinct and you are the only one left.
    In 1BN years time, the Earth is gone and you are just floating aimlessly in space.
    In 100BN years time, the universe is approaching heat death and you are still alive.
    In TN years time, the universe is cold and silent but you are still alive.
    and this goes on for eternity......

    Not so nice, is it?


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    #108
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    RexHamilton wrote: »
    Stats don't run my life

    eh they do whether directly or indirectly they do and also whether you like it or not


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    #109
    Shenshen
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    IM0 wrote: »
    eh they do whether directly or indirectly they do and also whether you like it or not

    There's a 50/50 chance they don't, apparently.


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    RexHamilton
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RexHamilton


    IM0 wrote: »
    eh they do whether directly or indirectly they do and also whether you like it or not


    Good man.

    Now are we going to O'Connell street? We should have a wager on it. I'll lay 2/1 that you're way is safer. If everything is 50/50, then that's a really good bet for you. How much should we bet on it?


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    #111
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    westcoast66 wrote: »
    Eternal Life/Immortality - lets think about the reality of that.

    In 50 years time most of your friends/family are dead.
    In 100 years time, ALL of your friends/family are dead.
    In 1000 years time, most of your culture is gone.
    In 100,000 years time, humans have evolved and you don't really understand them anymore.
    In 1M years time, humans are extinct and you are the only one left.
    In 1BN years time, the Earth is gone and you are just floating aimlessly in space.
    In 100BN years time, the universe is approaching heat death and you are still alive.
    In TN years time, the universe is cold and silent but you are still alive.
    and this goes on for eternity......

    Not so nice, is it?

    Yeah it would get pretty boring after a while. It must be how God feels.


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    #112
    Mark Tapley
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The current status is that some form of God might exist because it hasn't been proven otherwise. Certainly no one can say, without proof of evidence that no form of God exists because they just don't know.

    I don't know either but I admit that fact.

    Of all the unlikely things that might exist , God seems to be one of the most unlikely.


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    #113
    DarkDusk
    Registered Users Posts: 914 ✭✭✭DarkDusk


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    Of all the unlikely things that might exist , God seems to be one of the most unlikely.

    I still can't get over how people believe something that was written by a big bunch of nutcases.


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    #114
    seb65
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    DarkDusk wrote: »
    I still can't get over how people believe something that was written by a big bunch of nutcases.

    What does believing in an existence after this one have to do with religion?


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    seb65
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    westcoast66 wrote: »
    Eternal Life/Immortality - lets think about the reality of that.

    In 50 years time most of your friends/family are dead.
    In 100 years time, ALL of your friends/family are dead.
    In 1000 years time, most of your culture is gone.
    In 100,000 years time, humans have evolved and you don't really understand them anymore.
    In 1M years time, humans are extinct and you are the only one left.
    In 1BN years time, the Earth is gone and you are just floating aimlessly in space.
    In 100BN years time, the universe is approaching heat death and you are still alive.
    In TN years time, the universe is cold and silent but you are still alive.
    and this goes on for eternity......

    Not so nice, is it?

    Your argument is incorrect. If we go on after death, so will our loved ones and we won't be alone. Time is a human construct and it's relative to our own perception. When we are young it drags on and as we get older it seems to go by faster.


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    #116
    Mark Tapley
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    seb65 wrote: »
    Your argument is incorrect. If we go on after death, so will our loved ones and we won't be alone. Time is a human construct and it's relative to our own perception. When we are young it drags on and as we get older it seems to go by faster.

    Westcoast is talking about eternal life I think not life after death.


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    FamousSeamus
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    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    Of all the unlikely things that might exist , God seems to be one of the most unlikely.

    Didn't Dawkins say that he believes God doesn't exist but can't say he knows he doesn't exist just like religious people say they believe god exists but can't know God exists!! In short noone really knows, and when we finally find out were dead so too late to do anything about it!! That's why we shouldn't worry so much, there's a 50/50 chance we're wrong:D


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    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    FamousSeamus wrote: »
    Didn't Dawkins say that he believes God doesn't exist but can't say he knows he doesn't exist just like religious people say they believe god exists but can't know God exists!! In short noone really knows, and when we finally find out were dead so too late to do anything about it!! That's why we shouldn't worry so much, there's a 50/50 chance we're wrong:D

    I said I think it is unlikely that there is a God. There is a 100% chance that that is my opinion .


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    Jimmy 5F
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    FamousSeamus wrote: »
    Didn't Dawkins say that he believes God doesn't exist but can't say he knows he doesn't exist just like religious people say they believe god exists but can't know God exists!! In short noone really knows, and when we finally find out were dead so too late to do anything about it!! That's why we shouldn't worry so much, there's a 50/50 chance we're wrong:D

    You should teach probability theory, you make it sound so simple.


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    Hitchens
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    Does a child exist before it is conceived?


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    Pretzill
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    There seems to be cross threads here re: eternal life and life after death. Living eternally is not realistic unless you're an elf and life after death is a misnomer - life is living - death is no longer living - the body dies this is proven every other theory is just a theory. Some believe in spirit/soul/a metaphysical part of ourselves goes on but there is no proof - as a species we haven't been around for all that long but I would suggest that if there was a firm way of prooving life after death we'd have done it by now.


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