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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Yep, one of the four doctors who saw the body confirms the conspiracy. He said the fatal shot came from the right front. That is the direction of the overpass and grassy knoll.

    He also said there was no back head wound. The autopsy report is fake. He said there is also a wound in the throat area.

    Well they always reckoned there was 2 shooters not just Oswald on his own


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    The bullets used are likely to have been frangible bullets, which will create wounds inconsistent with a normal gunshot wound.


    the bullets were standard issue 6.5mm Italian Army rounds, fired from a Mannlicher-Carcano carbine rifle. Nothing special about them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    kravmaga wrote: »
    Well they always reckoned there was 2 shooters not just Oswald on his own

    Skeptics will ignore the evidence.

    Warren Commission ignored countless eyewitnesses and even GOV Connelly testimony he was shot with a second bullet. The facts clearly show at least 1 shot came from the picket fence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,420 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Skeptics will ignore the evidence.

    Warren Commission ignored countless eyewitnesses and even GOV Connelly testimony he was shot with a second bullet. The facts clearly show at least 1 shot came from the picket fence.

    What facts?! How do you explain people not hearing a rifle firing from 6 foot away?

    And what kind of mob hitman shoots someone in the stomach? Theres an overwhelming possibility of Oswald surviving that. A stomach shot with that gun would only kill 10% ish of people. And Oswald had an immediate escort to the hospital. Common sense sometimes wins.

    The first mob hit in history where the killer decided to shoot the target in the stomach, almost guaranteeing Oswald would've survived, been put under 24/7 protection and then talked, had he been involved in a conspiracy.

    Such a stupid theory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭Savage93


    ligerdub wrote: »
    The magic bullet is no fantasy. The only plausible explanation for Connolly being shot in the back, through the lungs, smash his wrist and then lodge into his leg is that he was shot from behind and from quite high up, and this can be traced back to pretty much Oswalds perch/working area. There's just no way he can get those specific wounds from anywhere else but there, and there's almost no chance he could get hit there without also hitting Kennedy en route. There's no zigzag required, just so long as the bullet doesn't hit bone.

    I'm not a great believer in the likelihood of a shot from the front, and a shot from behind is much easier than a shot from the side amongst the crowd of people.

    The bullets used are likely to have been frangible bullets, which will create wounds inconsistent with a normal gunshot wound.

    Having said all that this isn't a new revelation re: the doctors overseeing the body. Several doctors who worked on JFK have said the same thing over the years, about the wounds they saw, the likely point of entry, and the position of the wounds.

    To me the facial "explosion" looks far more like an exit wound than an entry wound, entry wounds tend to be bullet sizes only with exit wounds far larger as per the video, unless it was a ricochet and the bullet was tumbling.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,420 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Savage93 wrote: »
    To me the facial "explosion" looks far more like an exit wound than an entry wound, entry wounds tend to be bullet sizes only with exit wounds far larger as per the video, unless it was a ricochet and the bullet was tumbling.

    The bullet that hit Connelly was tumbling, proven by the wound on his back (and his clothes) showing the bullet entered slightly sideways at a 30 degree yaw - which can only happen if the bullet has already passed through and object.

    Quite simple really.

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    Savage93 wrote: »
    To me the facial "explosion" looks far more like an exit wound than an entry wound, entry wounds tend to be bullet sizes only with exit wounds far larger as per the video,


    Its scientifically impossible for that to be an entry wound high and from the front.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    What facts?! How do you explain people not hearing a rifle firing from 6 foot away?

    And what kind of mob hitman shoots someone in the stomach? Theres an overwhelming possibility of Oswald surviving that. A stomach shot with that gun would only kill 10% ish of people. And Oswald had an immediate escort to the hospital. Common sense sometimes wins.

    The first mob hit in history where the killer decided to shoot the target in the stomach, almost guaranteeing Oswald would've survived, been put under 24/7 protection and then talked, had he been involved in a conspiracy.

    Such a stupid theory.

    The majority of the witnesses said the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll. That documented fact. You even see where all the people ran to on the day of the killing in Photographs.

    Orville Nix even said he thought the shot came from behind the picket fence.

    Oswald died so obviously Ruby knew what he was doing:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    The bullet that hit Connelly was tumbling, proven by the wound on his back (and his clothes) showing the bullet entered slightly sideways at a 30 degree yaw - which can only happen if the bullet has already passed through and object.

    Quite simple really.

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    Its scientifically impossible for that to be an entry wound high and from the front.

    We even have video of Parkland hospital doctor who was involved in trying to save Kennedy. He too disagrees with the Warren commission findings.

    Two doctors at different hospitals disagree with the Warren commission findings. I believe the doctors and eyewitnesses and not the US government.

    Dr Charles Crenshaw explains why the shot came from the right front.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,420 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The majority of the witnesses said the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll. That documented fact.

    No it is not. Stop lying and spreading misinformation to suit your agenda. You're poison.

    Your beloved HSCA said 47% of people believed shots came from the TSBD and only 20% said shots came from the knoll.

    See House Select Committee, Volume 2, p. 122.

    However they undercooked the knoll numbers. In reality, 40 people from about 200 said they heard shots, saw smoke or smelled gun powder from the general direction of the knoll. How is that a majority?

    Also, Dealey Plaza acoustically has the fence and trees and walls etc on the knoll side and nothing on the other side. So of course there will be more echoes on the knoll side.

    You still haven't explained how the people on the steps and Zapruder didn't notice a rifle firing 6 feet away from their heads. Please explain this.

    Oswald died so obviously Ruby knew what he was doing:confused:

    Impossible to know you'll kill someone with a shot to the guts. 1/10 chance they'll survive.

    Two doctors at different hospitals disagree with the Warren commission findings. I believe the doctors and eyewitnesses and not the US government.

    So you believe the doctors? The majority of whom think the shots came from the rear?

    Right......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    No it is not. Stop lying and spreading misinformation to suit your agenda. You're poison.

    Your beloved HSCA said 47% of people believed shots came from the TSBD and only 20% said shots came from the knoll.

    See House Select Committee, Volume 2, p. 122.

    However they undercooked the knoll numbers. In reality, 40 people from about 200 said they heard shots, saw smoke or smelled gun powder from the general direction of the knoll. How is that a majority?

    Also, Dealey Plaza acoustically has the fence and trees and walls etc on the knoll side and nothing on the other side. So of course there will be more echoes on the knoll side.

    You still haven't explained how the people on the steps and Zapruder didn't notice a rifle firing 6 feet away from their heads. Please explain this.



    Impossible to know you'll kill someone with a shot to the guts. 1/10 chance they'll survive.



    So you believe the doctors? The majority of whom think the shots came from the rear?

    Right......

    Four different studies are in this document done by four different people since the killing. Eyewitnesses accounts are documented in this.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FmXudDf6pqisxq_mepIC6iuG47RkDskPDWzQ9L7Lykw/edit#gid=65


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Savage93 wrote: »
    To me the facial "explosion" looks far more like an exit wound than an entry wound, entry wounds tend to be bullet sizes only with exit wounds far larger as per the video, unless it was a ricochet and the bullet was tumbling.

    If Kennedy and Connelly got hit by the same bullet it would be have happened in space of two frames.

    Kennedy started moving his hands to his throat area in frame 226. Connelly was only turning his body around to look in frame 233 . You can even see in the Zapruder film Gov Connelly still holding his Cowboy hat in his right hand. Warren Commission claims the same bullet that hit Kennedy struck Gov Connelly right wrist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Based on the Evidence.

    Oswald or another shooter missed the first shot.

    A second shot hit Kennedy in the back or came from the front?

    A third bullet hit Connelly from behind. Oswald or another shooter.

    The final shot came from the grassy knoll. Four bullets were fired from two guns.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    If Kennedy and Connelly got hit by the same bullet it would be have happened in space of two frames.

    Kennedy started moving his hands to his throat area in frame 226. Connelly was only turning his body around to look in frame 233 . You can even see in the Zapruder film Gov Connelly still holding his Cowboy hat in his right hand. Warren Commission claims the same bullet that hit Kennedy struck Gov Connelly right wrist.

    Look in normal speed. They are quite clearly hit simultaneously.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Look in normal speed. They are quite clearly hit simultaneously.


    You wrong the bullet exited Kennedy throat area in frame 225 or 226. Connelly was fine up till 238 or 239.

    It looks he felt a blow just after frame 239.

    If Oswald was a lone gunman why did the FBI and CIA rush in the last hour before the JFK files got released? They said they needed more time to redact files? No conspiracy really? Fox News fair play to them found this very suspicious and wonder what the CIA and FBI are trying to hide.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub Where in the back of the head did the bullet enter can you point it out for me? Warren Commission claims a bullet entered at the back of the head and exited out the right side?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    You wrong the bullet exited Kennedy throat area in frame 225 or 226. Connelly was fine up till 238 or 239.

    It looks he felt a blow just after frame 239.

    If Oswald was a lone gunman why did the FBI and CIA rush in the last hour before the JFK files got released? They said they needed more time to redact files? No conspiracy really? Fox News fair play to them found this very suspicious and wonder what the CIA and FBI are trying to hide.


    Connelly clearly reacts at the same time as Kennedy, his arm makes a sudden jerk in unison with Kennedy as he raises up his hands. Do you have an explanation as to how Connelly ended up being shot in the back, wrist and leg? Do you think Kennedy was shot from the front a milisecond before Connelly was shot from behind which somehow managed to miss Kennedy?

    I do agree that it is a bit odd that a lot of the files are redacted, but I don't understand why you're focusing so much on a 2nd shooter. The 2nd shooter is a total red herring and distraction.

    A conspiracy of sorts with Oswald as the lone shooter is a possibility, and doesn't need some shooter behind a fence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Connelly clearly reacts at the same time as Kennedy, his arm makes a sudden jerk in unison with Kennedy as he raises up his hands. Do you have an explanation as to how Connelly ended up being shot in the back, wrist and leg? Do you think Kennedy was shot from the front a milisecond before Connelly was shot from behind which somehow managed to miss Kennedy?

    I do agree that it is a bit odd that a lot of the files are redacted, but I don't understand why you're focusing so much on a 2nd shooter. The 2nd shooter is a total red herring and distraction.

    A conspiracy of sorts with Oswald as the lone shooter is a possibility, and doesn't need some shooter behind a fence.

    He reacting to the shooting. Connelly stated he was not shot until he turned around and looked back.

    Kennedy was already hit in frame 225 and 226. The bullet would have already have impacted Connelly back region as he sat forward. You have to take into account the speed of a bullet which travels at 1700mph.

    Once it left Kennedy throat area Connelly would have got hit immediately and jolted in his seat looking forward.

    He was shot by a second bullet obviously. With his body turned the bullet would have moved in a different way through his back to the right wrist.

    The Warren commission claims the fatal shot hit Kennedy in this area of the head. Do you see a blast of a bullet heading Kennedy in this region of the skull?

    Look at the Zapruder film and find the entry point!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    kravmaga wrote: »
    Well they always reckoned there was 2 shooters not just Oswald on his own

    If Oswald was a lone gunman why did the FBI and CIA rush in the last hour before the JFK files got released? They said they needed more time to redact files? No conspiracy really? Fox News fair play to them found this very suspicious and wonder what the CIA and FBI are trying to hide.

    The Mortal Error theory looks better and better the more I think about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McLaren#JFK:_The_Smoking_Gun

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    He reacting to the shooting. Connelly stated he was not shot until he turned around and looked back.

    Kennedy was already hit in frame 225 and 226. The bullet would have already have impacted Connelly back region as he sat forward. You have to take into account the speed of a bullet which travels at 1700mph.

    Once it left Kennedy throat area Connelly would have got hit immediately and jolted in his seat looking forward.

    He was shot by a second bullet obviously. With his body turned the bullet would have moved in a different way through his back to the right wrist.

    The Warren commission claims the fatal shot hit Kennedy in this area of the head. Do you see a blast of a bullet heading Kennedy in this region of the skull?

    Look at the Zapruder film and find the entry point!


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    If you move forward 1 frame to frame 313 you can clearly see that the back of Kennedy's head is intact while the right side of it is devastated.

    I'd like to know what you think happened. The order of shots and injuries and roughly from what direction. Do you have an opinion on that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Wombatman wrote: »
    The Mortal Error theory looks better and better the more I think about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McLaren#JFK:_The_Smoking_Gun

    Hickey-ar-15_jfk.jpg

    The Zaprauder film does not show any flash or blood splatter at the back of the head. The flash is from the right front.

    If the bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head why don't we see anything?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    If you move forward 1 frame to frame 313 you can clearly see that the back of Kennedy's head is intact while the right side of it is devastated.

    I'd like to know what you think happened. The order of shots and injuries and roughly from what direction. Do you have an opinion on that?

    Exactly but the Warren Commission claims the bullet impacted the back of the head that you agree is still intact?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,420 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Exactly but the Warren Commission claims the bullet impacted the back of the head that you agree is still intact?

    Yes because that was the entry wound. The exit wound at the front right is not intact.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    The Zaprauder film does not show any flash or blood splatter at the back of the head. The flash is from the right front.

    If the bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head why don't we see anything?

    You clearly see his head lurch forward from being hit from the rear and the large exit wound in front.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Ligerpub. There were two shooters. One firing behind and one firing right front.

    One Shot and bullet missed and hit a curbstone

    One struck Kennedy in the back from behind and left the throat area or came from the front entered Kennedy's throat and exited out the back.

    One bullet hit Connelly when he looked around that caused his injuries. That was behind shot.

    The fatal shot came from right front and that caused Kennedy head to explode.

    Four bullets two shooters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Yes because that was the entry wound. The exit wound at the front right is not intact.

    There no flash or blood splatter at the back of the head. Do you think a bullet hitting the back of the head would not be seen on video?


    It clear as day that bullet came from the right front hit Kennedy head near the right ear and his head exploded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    This is very unlikely if Oswald was the only shooter.

    Officer Martin, on motorcycle duty on the left side of the President's convertible, was close to Mrs Kennedy. He recalled, ' ... you could smell the gunpowder ... you knew he wasn't that far away. When you're that close you can smell the powder burning ... Why, you can smell the gunpowder ... right there in the street.'

    Patrolman Joe Smith also smelled gunpowder, ' ... a distinctive smell of gun smoke cordite,' as he moved along Elm Street towards the grassy section of Dealey Plaza.

    In my investigator's brain, alarm bells had started to ring. As I trawled through the many hundreds of pages related to the witnesses' observations from the overpass and on the street closest to the President's vehicle I could sense a pattern forming, and detectives love finding evidence of similar facts. Not only is it corroboration, but it helps to understand exactly what happened at a crime scene. Here was sworn testimony from a supervisor, several police officers and two mail clerks telling me, the reader, that smoke or gunpowder was on the street in or around the President's vehicle.

    The next testimony I studied was that of bookkeeper Virgie Rachley, who had been standing on Elm Street enjoying the passing parade. As the President's car rolled by and the shots rang out she recalled smelling 'gun smoke'. Clemen Johnson, a machinist at the railway yard, also witnessed the catastrophe. He saw 'white smoke' near to where the motorcade had passed

    Pretty conclusive if you ask me a second shooter.

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/jfk-the-smoking-gun-reveals-shocking-new-details-about-who-was-responsible-for-gunning-down-jfk/news-story/6c8a3ba473172faca7d91717683cf95f


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,396 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    There no flash or blood splatter at the back of the head. Do you think a bullet hitting the back of the head would not be seen on video?


    It clear as day that bullet came from the right front hit Kennedy head near the right ear and his head exploded.

    You obviously know nothing about guns/bullets or ballistics


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,420 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    There no flash or blood splatter at the back of the head. Do you think a bullet hitting the back of the head would not be seen on video?

    It is seen on video. Clear as day. Fragments moving forward and his brain moving forward.

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    His head also moves forward first. I won't post it again since you've ignored it all the other times it was posted.

    It clear as day that bullet came from the right front hit Kennedy head near the right ear and his head exploded.

    How can a shot from the front cause an exit wound at the front? :confused: The left of his head was fine, which it would not have been with a shot from the right. If he was shot from the front right the exit wound would've been at the back left.

    Explain these points please

    1. JFKs head moving forward briefly before the bullet exited
    2. The spray from the wound moving forward
    3. The exit wound at the front right of his head
    4. The people on the steps, Zapruder and the people near the knoll all ignoring a high powered rifle going off behind their heads. You keep dodging this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Ligerpub. There were two shooters. One firing behind and one firing right front.

    One Shot and bullet missed and hit a curbstone

    One struck Kennedy in the back from behind and left the throat area or came from the front entered Kennedy's throat and exited out the back. (1)

    One bullet hit Connelly when he looked around that caused his injuries. That was behind shot. (2)

    The fatal shot came from right front and that caused Kennedy head to explode.

    Four bullets two shooters.

    Ok, thank you.

    In terms of bold point 1, if it hit him from behind (or indeed the front) where did the bullet go? It would have to have hit the back of the car or Connelly surely?

    Bold point 2: If it was the same shooter at the Kennedy throat wound then he could surely not have had enough time to reload and fire accurately? If Connelly is hit then how could Kennedy not have been hit also?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Ok, thank you.

    In terms of bold point 1, if it hit him from behind (or indeed the front) where did the bullet go? It would have to have hit the back of the car or Connelly surely?

    Bold point 2: If it was the same shooter at the Kennedy throat wound then he could surely not have had enough time to reload and fire accurately? If Connelly is hit then how could Kennedy not have been hit also?

    Good Question. Could have got stuck in his clothing or got lost when left the throat area or back area. Maybe it was found in the car?

    But the bullet was not found in Connelly. It was found on a stretcher at the hospital. Reports it was not even found on the stretcher Connelly was laying on. In a cover-up, they try to hide evidence what bullets were used. If bullets came from two different guns they don't want that coming out!

    Again there is dispute where this bullet came from that caused the throat wound.

    Did come from the front or back? If there is two shooters plenty of time to get shots off more quickly.


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