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New Worldwide Handicap System

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  • #302
    GolfNut33
    Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭GolfNut33


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    I wonder is the plan still to go ahead with this or not.

    Depending on when competitions are back on it could be your next competition is under the WHS

    I'd say they might hold off for another year.


  • #303
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,434 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Pretty sure there was a mail from the GUI recently saying that the change has been suspended indefinitely.


  • #304
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Pretty sure there was a mail from the GUI recently saying that the change has been suspended indefinitely.
    The only one I've seen with regard to the WHS was where they said that all WHS meetings scheduled for before 30th April were postponed. Nothing since that I can find.


  • #305
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,434 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    The only one I've seen with regard to the WHS was where they said that all WHS meetings scheduled for before 30th April were postponed. Nothing since that I can find.

    Sorry, yes, I misread the mail from my club. They said that all introductory seminars for the GUI have been indefinitely suspended


  • #306
    paulos53
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭paulos53


    Not sure if they have been posted already but here are the slides from those handicap seminars


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  • #307
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Slide 13 (authorised formats of play) has me baffled.

    Ther are green ticks only beside 18 hole stroke and stableford, but later on it seems 9-hole cards are permitted.


  • #308
    Rikand
    Registered Users Posts: 20,339 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    blackbox wrote: »
    Slide 13 (authorised formats of play) has me baffled.

    Ther are green ticks only beside 18 hole stroke and stableford, but later on it seems 9-hole cards are permitted.

    I think what it is saying is that the standard across all associations is that those 2 formats are acceptable for handicapping (rule 2.1)

    But an association can nominate other formats of play as eligible for handicapping purposes if they wish, e.g. 9 holes (rule 2.2)


  • #309
    mike12
    Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭mike12


    Have any courses published their rating and slopes yet?
    If yes can we get a list going.


  • #310
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    mike12 wrote: »
    Have any courses published their rating and slopes yet?
    If yes can we get a list going.
    There is a list of sorts on this thread (I think). There was another thread as well, but it may have been merged with this one. So if it's not here, it'll be in the other thread.


  • #311
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    There are a few

    But a running list would be a good idea if the more technical can set it up


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  • #312
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Here's the thread, it was never merged with this one. A couple of posts below listing some of the courses with published ratings.

    prawnsambo wrote: »
    So here are some I've collected so far:

    Castlewarden (Blue/White/Yellow) = 119 / 117 / 114
    Enniscrone (Blue/White/Yellow/Green) - 133 / 131 / 123 / 111
    Kinsale (Blue/White) - 128 / 125
    Dromoland Castle (Blue/White/Yellow) - 126 / 126 / 124
    Beaufort (Blue/White/Yellow) - 137 / 133 / 129
    Dooks (Blue/White/Yellow) - 122 / 121 / 117
    Tulfarris (Blue/White/Green) - 129 / 125 / 122
    Tipperary (Blue/White/Yellow) - 129 / 127 / 124
    Mount Juliet (Blue/White) - 148 / 136
    Old Head (Black/Blue/White/Yellow) - 142 / 139 / 136 / 129
    Castlemartyr (Blue/White/Red) - 133 / 126 / 131

    Some of these came from posters above, some from a quick Google search and some from scorecards from courses I've played lately.
    charlieIRL wrote: »
    I have a card here from the Island in Donabate and the slope ratings are:
    White 130
    Green 129
    Yellow 124
    Red 121


  • #313
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,020 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    There are a few

    But a running list would be a good idea if the more technical can set it up

    You can get them all from most of the GPS sites

    e.g.
    https://courses.swingbyswing.com/courses/Ireland/Dublin/Dublin/Edmondstown/43050

    a lot of them seem to be 113, which is the average but could also be being used as a default.
    however some (such as portmarnock links) are deffo up to date.


  • #314
    dan_ep82
    Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Headfort showing as 113. It's plays a good few shots harder.


  • #315
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    Headfort showing as 113. It's plays a good few shots harder.
    Yeah, 113 is just the same as 1.0, neutral slope. It's in there as a default as Greebo says.


  • #316
    mighty magpie
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    The below can be found on USGA for my course. It has been shared around whatsapp today so i assume it is to do with the new handicapping system.

    Does it mean they rank our back 9 harder than front?
    What do the gender figures mean?
    If one courses bogey rating is higher than another, does that mean it is more difficult?

    White M
    M
    Slope - 71
    Front - 70.9
    Back - 93.4
    Bogey rating - 121
    Gender 36.4 / 127
    34.5 / 115


  • #317
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    mighty magpie wrote: »
    The below can be found on USGA for my course. It has been shared around whatsapp today so i assume it is to do with the new handicapping system.

    Does it mean they rank our back 9 harder than front?
    What do the gender figures mean?
    If one courses bogey rating is higher than another, does that mean it is more difficult?

    White M
    M
    Slope - 71
    Front - 70.9
    Back - 93.4
    Bogey rating - 121
    Gender 36.4 / 127
    34.5 / 115
    Those numbers look incorrect to me


  • #318
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    GreeBo wrote: »
    You can get them all from most of the GPS sites

    e.g.
    https://courses.swingbyswing.com/courses/Ireland/Dublin/Dublin/Edmondstown/43050

    however some (such as portmarnock links) are deffo up to date.

    We’ve had 122 on our card for years, I’d expect it to be somewhat harder, I seen the Gui PowerPoint and they have Westport in as the training sample at 130 something, is the course that hard ????


  • #319
    Golf is my Game
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Golfgraffix wrote: »
    We’ve had 122 on our card for years, I’d expect it to be somewhat harder, I seen the Gui PowerPoint and they have Westport in as the training sample at 130 something, is the course that hard ????

    Off the back sticks it's long fair enough and some holes a lot of non single figure lads just won't get there in two digs. But you can spray it all over the shop and get away with it if your long to make the recover. 130 sounds about right really.


  • #320
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    Off the back sticks it's long fair enough and some holes a lot of non single figure lads just won't get there in two digs. But you can spray it all over the shop and get away with it if your long to make the recover. 130 sounds about right really.

    Given that the measure is the difficulty of the course for a "par" golfer versus a "bogie" golfer then I think that makes sense

    Especially considering the definition of a par and bogie golfer involves distance off the tee


  • #321
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭Russman


    Just found my own course on the USGA site, showing as Course 70.4, Bogey 93.2 & Slope 123. I've no real idea yet what that means TBH !

    Looks like that's the afternoon sorted so !! :D:D


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  • #322
    mighty magpie
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Those numbers look incorrect to me

    How so? I've no idea what's going on here and it seems many others in same boat


  • #323
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Castleknock is here

    https://ncrdb.usga.org/courseTeeInfo.aspx?CourseID=22933

    Course rating 18 and slope also 18. I don’t think they are correct are they?
    Bogey rating differs for each tee with blues being 135. No idea If this means it is a hard or easy course.

    Why do they make this stuff so complicated, I’m sure there could be a much simpler way of doing this.


  • #324
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    I don't know if these are correct. Looked up a couple I have cards for and they don't correlate. Not miles out, but I don't think they're based on recent ratings. Would be surprised if USGA have these before the GUI.


  • #325
    dan_ep82
    Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I don't know if these are correct. Looked up a couple I have cards for and they don't correlate. Not miles out, but I don't think they're based on recent ratings. Would be surprised if USGA have these before the GUI.

    They do tend to match up in difficulty ( harder courses are higher rating etc) but the extra shots seem excessive.

    Using the USGA course handicap calculator I would play off 19 in Headfort New and 18 in Headfort Old with a real handicap of 16.2. Both from comp tees


  • #326
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    They do tend to match up in difficulty ( harder courses are higher rating etc) but the extra shots seem excessive.

    Using the USGA course handicap calculator I would play off 19 in Headfort New and 18 in Headfort Old with a real handicap of 16.2. Both from comp tees
    Just looked up Macreddin black tees (one of the hardest around) and the slope rating is 135. The same as Castleknock off the blue tees? Doesn't make sense to me.


  • #327
    paulos53
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭paulos53


    1 thing to remember is that slope rating does not indicate course difficulty.


    Course rating relative to par is a better indicator


  • #328
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    paulos53 wrote: »
    1 thing to remember is that slope rating does not indicate course difficulty.

    Course rating relative to par is a better indicator
    Slope rating is what your handicap will be based on. HI*SR/113. So the higher the slope rating, the higher your course handicap will be. Which is a direct correlation to course difficulty.


  • #329
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Slope rating is what your handicap will be based on. HI*SR/113. So the higher the slope rating, the higher your course handicap will be. Which is a direct correlation to course difficulty.

    Is that the correct calc? I played a course rated 145 today according to the scorecard and if I do that calc it takes my handicap from 9 to 12?


  • #330
    dan_ep82
    Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    They do tend to match up in difficulty ( harder courses are higher rating etc) but the extra shots seem excessive.

    Using the USGA course handicap calculator I would play off 19 in Headfort New and 18 in Headfort Old with a real handicap of 16.2. Both from comp tees
    They may be updating this, some of the info has changed which means I would play of 21 in the New :eek:


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  • #331
    Golf is my Game
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    They may be updating this, some of the info has changed which means I would play of 21 in the New :eek:

    Thats really only an :eek: because you are thinking of the 21 in old money. Its comparing apples and oranges and people just dont have a feel for the WGS yet so keep thinking of it in the system they know and rember that the slope rating applies to everyone. Its just a number and it whats it relative to all the other numbers in the competition that matters not the value itself.


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