Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

elperello · 17-09-2019 11:30pm

I guess C4 understand their business model better than I do.
Having to watch a few ads is a small inconvenience when we get to watch their great coverage for nothing.

(I still miss KC from C4, not the same appreciation of him from the Sky crowd)

uchimata83 · 18-09-2019 6:57am

flazio wrote: »

They can't "pretend it's live". The advertisers pay more for in race adverts then the supporting material because a lot of people will switch on when the race starts and switch off when the race is over. If you give the viewer the chance to not see ads then the advertisers will stay away and Channel 4 will either have to quit altogether or bring in more drastic cost cutting such as commentating from England rather than on site. Ads are a necessary evil in order to to keep the show going. The BBC can't afford it right now.

I may be wrong, but up to this year it was used as a live feed and edited afterwards. The commentary was live and then edited afterwards, sometimes you'd notice them recapping the race after x number of laps.

flexcon · 18-09-2019 2:00pm

uchimata83 wrote: »

I may be wrong, but up to this year it was used as a live feed and edited afterwards. The commentary was live and then edited afterwards, sometimes you'd notice them recapping the race after x number of laps.

Still the case. Their commentary is used for international feeds, such as in AUS and up to recently Setanta/Eir

flazio · 18-09-2019 4:11pm

flexcon wrote: »

Still the case. Their commentary is used for international feeds, such as in AUS and up to recently Setanta/Eir

As far as I'm aware, Sky won't let Channel 4 sell their commentary to other organisations anymore, if you're watching the races anywhere in the world in English commentary you're listening to David Croft and Martin Brundle.

mickdw · 18-09-2019 5:06pm

flazio wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, Sky won't let Channel 4 sell their commentary to other organisations anymore, if you're watching the races anywhere in the world in English commentary you're listening to David Croft and Martin Brundle.

Off topic but I read somewhere that Martin Brundle is worth 100 million. Could that be right?

Cork Trucker · 18-09-2019 5:23pm

flazio wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, Sky won't let Channel 4 sell their commentary to other organisations anymore, if you're watching the races anywhere in the world in English commentary you're listening to David Croft and Martin Brundle.

No issue with Brundle bar the infatuation with Hamilton. Croft is just an utter idiot full stop.

Jordan 199 · 19-09-2019 3:10am

Haas without Rich Energy sponsorship.

Infoanon · 19-09-2019 8:55am

No change at Haas for 2020 confirmed - looks like Hulk is out of F1

Cork Trucker · 19-09-2019 9:24am

Infoanon wrote: »

No change at Haas for 2020 confirmed - looks like Hulk is out of F1

He's a long shot for both Red Bull & Alfa Romeo now.

muckwarrior · 19-09-2019 9:27am

Jesus, Haas seem to have a similar affliction as those people who compulsively cut themselves.

cherryghost · 19-09-2019 9:28am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

He's a long shot for both Red Bull & Alfa Romeo now.

Fairly sure Gio is confirmed for next year...? i think Hulk is out

pjohnson · 19-09-2019 9:29am

Grosjean development of the car seems to be keeping him there.

Hulks only hope is RB dropping Gasly and giving Hulk the deal until they've a driver developed to come in.

Charlie-Bravo · 19-09-2019 10:56am

Long shot for Hulk is if Vettel decides to retire.

H3llR4iser · 19-09-2019 11:09am

pjohnson wrote: »

Grosjean development of the car seems to be keeping him there.

Maybe this time they'll listen to his input before having to revert all the way back to the pre-season specs :P

Cork Trucker · 19-09-2019 11:10am

astrofluff wrote: »

Long shot for Hulk is if Vettel decides to retire.

Stranger things have happened, after Abu Dhabi 2016 who would've thought Bottas would be in the Mercedes the following March?

pjohnson · 19-09-2019 11:22am

astrofluff wrote: »

Long shot for Hulk is if Vettel decides to retire.

True.

flazio · 19-09-2019 11:33am

Stupid decision by Haas. The only rationale I can think of is that Gene is considering whether or not to continue in the sport and needs to keep things the way they are until he reaches a decision.

shamrock55 · 19-09-2019 11:53am

Is ocon joining renault next year, I think he's a great talent and could do pretty well if renault can sort their engine out

pjohnson · 19-09-2019 11:56am

shamrock55 wrote: »

Is ocon joining renault next year, I think he's a great talent and could do pretty well if renault can sort their engine out

Yep beside Ricciardo.

Perez apparently has a bout of food poisoning today so Ocon may be on standby for tomorrow to hop into the Racing Point one last time.

Cork Trucker · 19-09-2019 11:59am

pjohnson wrote: »

Yep beside Ricciardo.

Perez apparently has a bout of food poisoning today so Ocon may be on standby for tomorrow to hop into the Racing Point one last time.

Be grand if he did and made a holy show of Stroll

patmahe · 19-09-2019 12:20pm

Haas retaining Grosjean is a decision I simply don't understand, what has he ever done in F1 to make people think he has any significant prospects for the future. He is not champion material or does he contribute massively in some other way I don't know about? Even if they didn't go for Hulkenberg they could have taken a chance on an up and coming driver from the lower formulae with minimal risk.

Keeping Grosjean for 2019 surprised me, keeping him again for 2020 feels like paralysis and indecision rather than a shrewd move.

Cork Trucker · 19-09-2019 12:32pm

Word doing the rounds that Kubica might be off to Racing Point as Test Driver, apparently he has an excellent relationship with the Stroll's.

Jordan 199 · 19-09-2019 12:55pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Long shot for Hulk is if Vettel decides to retire.

That will never happen.

skipper_G · 19-09-2019 1:40pm

It's all kicking off again, Kubica is leaving Williams at the end of the season
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-williams-2020-exit/4543777/

skipper_G · 19-09-2019 1:50pm

patmahe wrote: »

Haas retaining Grosjean is a decision I simply don't understand, what has he ever done in F1 to make people think he has any significant prospects for the future. He is not champion material or does he contribute massively in some other way I don't know about? Even if they didn't go for Hulkenberg they could have taken a chance on an up and coming driver from the lower formulae with minimal risk.

Keeping Grosjean for 2019 surprised me, keeping him again for 2020 feels like paralysis and indecision rather than a shrewd move.

The bolded bit is spot on, Steiner was talking about the car being a big factor, and because they don't understand it better not to change the drivers because at least they know them. :pac:

Grosjean is infuriatingly inconsistent, how can they reasonably expect to improve the car when they don't have confidence that the driver is delivering every time he gets in it. Steiner also mentioned the fact that Grosjean knows the team and how they do things was a big part of the decision, I guess it hasn't dawned on Haas that potentially how they operate is part of their problem and some fresh input would do them good.

pyramuid man · 19-09-2019 2:02pm

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-hulkenberg-grosjean-close-call/4543716/

As I have previously said, Grosjean was offering solutions and ideas on how to solve the instability in the car as opposed to criticising the car and this is why I think he was retained.

Magnusssen is not the most consistent driver on the grid either and tends to have a book of complaints about the car when things dont go his way. He was the same in Renault before Haas too.

Haas are getting to a stage where the right driver will elevate them to a fight with the big boys and they need 2 new drivers if you ask me.

Cork Trucker · 19-09-2019 2:10pm

skipper_G wrote: »

It's all kicking off again, Kubica is leaving Williams at the end of the season
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-williams-2020-exit/4543777/

Did he jump of his own volition or was he pushed I’d really love to know

TCP/IP · 19-09-2019 2:23pm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Did he jump of his own volition or was he pushed I’d really love to know

Either way it’s great he is gone. Kubica has no business been in a actual race seat.

Charlie-Bravo · 19-09-2019 4:09pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

That will never happen.

Never say never. In words of Murray Walker, anything can happen in Formula 1. As stated, long shot. I wouldn't expect it myself, and something could happen with another team as well. But we should ask this question: if Vettel decides to retire this year, who is most likely to replace him? Danny Ric?

mickdw · 19-09-2019 4:44pm

No top driver looming to win a championship will take a seat beside le clerc.
Hulk would be a great option I think.

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