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Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

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  • #92
    Juanito13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Juanito13


    ted1 wrote: »
    The whole point is it can’t be built in a greenfield site. It needs to be beside an adult hospital where all the consultants are based.

    If your a
    Mother after giving birth and end up with something going wrong a hospital built on a greenfield site isn’t much use

    It should have been co-located with the new maternity hospital. Currently if a child is born in a maternity hospital and requires cardiac surgery, they go to crumlin.
    There is also a much bigger crossover in care between neonates and paeds than between paeds and adults. Paediatric consulatants specialise in kids, they dont go near adults.


  • #93
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Homer wrote: »
    Again with the keyboard warrior crap.. you wouldn’t say that stuff to to my face so p!ss off and don’t do it from the safety of your armchair, mate!

    Jesus Homer, relax.


  • #94
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Poor Simon was handed a poisoned chalice getting the health gig.

    I blame the incompetence he is dealing with on his predecessor.

    Predecessors, plural.
    Come to think of it, have we ever had a universally liked Minister for Health in the history of the state? Probably have to go back to the days when smoking tobacco wasn't a big deal.


  • #95
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

    There are a plethora GP visit cards that are given out on a yearly basis (numbers rising). That has no doubt saved lives. The man can't be lumped with responsibility for all the deaths that have occurred over the past few years.

    Politicians family lives should be out of bounds. This sets a bad precedent and it is only a matter of time before things like this get out of hand. That's the thing about mobs, they are easy to whip up into a frenzy, not so easy to reason with after.

    I do accept in this case they all left peacefully when the Gardaí arrived, but that's not the point. Everybody should have their privacy respected. The man is not a criminal.


  • #96
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    TallGlass wrote: »
    I'm sure they are going have fully dedicated positions in the hospital provided they can fill them. I'd hardly say they will have doctors and consultants running between two hospitals?

    They wouldn’t have the same staff available on a greenfield site. You don’t keep consultants in stand by.

    Co location sites allow for very fast transfers if both staff and patients


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  • #97
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batgoat wrote: »
    The nurses protesting would not picket somebody's home as they view it as unacceptable. The people protesting outside of his home are pricks.
    why should it be unacceptable? The nurses' case is that the Minister's policy is risking patient safety and damaging mortality rates.

    I think we need to address our bizarre fixation with etiquette, and focus on real priorities, like making sure that people don't die for lack of access to healthcare...
    Homer wrote: »
    Again with the keyboard warrior crap.. you wouldn’t say that stuff to to my face so p!ss off and don’t do it from the safety of your armchair, mate!
    I would, though, mate. ☺


  • #98
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    ted1 wrote: »
    They wouldn’t have the same staff available on a greenfield site. You don’t keep consultants in stand by.

    Co location sites allow for very fast transfers if both staff and patients
    which is why it should have been Blanch , Connolly hospital already there and the new maternity hospital going on that site as well.


  • #99
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Blachardstown hospital ??? The new maternity Hospital is going there so all could have been on the one site.Plenty of room.

    New national maternity hospital is going to Vincent’s

    Blanch would be a brownfield site, not a greenfield site.


  • #100
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Omackeral wrote:
    Shown a picture of said protesters.
    First picture i've seen of said protest. Considering the reaction here I was expecting 100's of protesters with pitchforks and burning torches.


  • #101
    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭Homer


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I would, though, mate. ☺

    Yep the radio mod is a right hard lad I would guess :D

    Anyway rather than drag this off topic, drop me a PM if you would like me to call to discuss mate.


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  • #102
    Flyingsnowball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Flyingsnowball


    The flushing toilet. Downward spiral.

    Stand up to them Simon stop this fecal merry go round.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I find it difficult to get upset about this. The man, and the Government of which he is a part, has a policy of playing God with people's lives for the sake of placating the electorate. People die because of the choice his Government makes to favour low taxation over human suffering.

    I'm sorry he and his family experienced that, but people experience a lot worse every day through his decisions.

    yeah thats not surprising tbh

    but guess what- you dont get to be minister for anything without decisions you make impacting peoples lives

    health first and foremost

    so im very comfortable utterly rejecting your outlook here and well...most other topics


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ricero wrote: »
    I'm shocked he has a wife and child as I always presumed he was gay

    His wife is a nurse herself. It’s possible he met her in a healthcare setting as he has Crohns Disease, not a nice thing to have.


  • #105
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    No need for such harrisment.


  • #106
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    No need for such harrisment.

    latest?cb=20141213145758


  • #107
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,249 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    His wife is a nurse herself. It’s possible he met her in a healthcare setting as he has Crohns Disease, not a nice thing to have.

    GPDR?

    His health should be private to him


  • #108
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    Tinfoil hat on : Send around 20 odd protesters - look for sympathy . Gets the eye and a bit of heat off you regarding the children's hospital scandal and the nurse and midwife strike. Just saying .
    Yes, tinfoil hat stuff indeed.
    super_furry wrote: »
    The Fingal Batallion? What class of gob****es are these? Sound like fringe Republicans.
    Sounds like scumbags.
    shafty100 wrote: »
    On what grounds would you jail people for having a peacefull protest, thats totally unjustified.harris and his fellow dictators have imposed endless hardship on people and people have had enough. The next general will hopefully get rid of these parasites.

    Look up the meaning of: dictator, endless hardship, and where blame actually lies, which is a lot more complex than easy targets selected via populist idiocy.


  • #109
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    ted1 wrote: »
    GPDR?

    His health should be private to him

    It's public knowledge that he has Crohns so not revealing anything.


  • #110
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Poor Simon was handed a poisoned chalice getting the health gig.

    I blame the incompetence he is dealing with on his predecessor.

    He should have know it’s a poison chalice, why would anyone want to take that job.


  • #111
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,486 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ipso wrote:
    He should have know it’s a poison chalice, why would anyone want to take that job.
    I'll take it for that money. And I'll do a better job than any of them has done too.


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  • #112
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    They seem to be protesting against everything and anything. https://www.facebook.com/FINGALBATTALION/videos/vb.1251993284954672/789887074693735/?type=2&theater


  • #113
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    FG have done loads of great things.

    Try to stop just blindly buying populist bollox and think for yourselves. Only the thickest, scummiest *****, often who don't do a day's work and who get everything handed to them for nothing, are the ones who shriek "de guvmt r scum nd parasites". And they would say it about any government. They don't understand economics or politics. Don't lower yourselves to their level - do some research, read your recent history.

    And it is absolutely correct that the mess they have inherited is not one that can be solved for a lot longer than eight years (if ever) - just because people don't want to admit that, doesn't mean it's not true. Don't blame people for damage caused by others.

    I love my country in lots of ways but it disappoints me at times. This isn't a society like Scandinavia or Germany or Holland or Belgium or Canada, where people work together to improve society. It's full of selfish, self entitled dribblers, and as long as things remain the same in that regard, there's an obstacle to improvement.


  • #114
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They seem to be protesting against everything and anything. https://www.facebook.com/FINGALBATTALION/videos/vb.1251993284954672/789887074693735/?type=2&theater

    Ooh, a flying column. Definitely should be taken seriously.


  • #115
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'll take it for that money. And I'll do a better job than any of them has done too.
    You don't know that in the slightest.


  • #116
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Definitely out of bounds for protest but I think the reaction from the political elite hilarious if only so many got as worked up over 1B being pissed away.


  • #117
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    I don't for one second believe that this is nothing other than government spin to make Harris look like he is a victim of some sort.

    Trapped in his home? Oh please


  • #118
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Fernando Mushy Flapjack wrote: »
    FG have done loads of great things.

    Try to stop just blindly buying populist bollox and think for yourselves. Only the thickest, scummiest *****, often who don't do a day's work and who get everything handed to them for nothing, are the ones who shriek "de guvmt r scum nd parasites". And they would say it about any government. They don't understand economics or politics. Don't lower yourselves to their level - do some research, read your recent history.

    And it is absolutely correct that the mess they have inherited is not one that can be solved for a lot longer than eight years (if ever) - just because people don't want to admit that, doesn't mean it's not true. Don't blame people for damage caused by others.

    I love my country in lots of ways but it disappoints me at times. This isn't a society like Scandinavia or Germany or Holland or Belgium or Canada, where people work together to improve society. It's full of selfish, self entitled dribblers, and as long as things remain the same in that regard, there's an obstacle to improvement.

    Spoken like a true brainwashed fg supporter. Fg and f2f are an obstacle to improvement


  • #119
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Fernando Mushy Flapjack wrote: »
    FG have done loads of great things.

    Try to stop just blindly buying populist bollox and think for yourselves. Only the thickest, scummiest *****, often who don't do a day's work and who get everything handed to them for nothing, are the ones who shriek "de guvmt r scum nd parasites". And they would say it about any government. They don't understand economics or politics. Don't lower yourselves to their level - do some research, read your recent history.

    And it is absolutely correct that the mess they have inherited is not one that can be solved for a lot longer than eight years (if ever) - just because people don't want to admit that, doesn't mean it's not true. Don't blame people for damage caused by others.

    I love my country in lots of ways but it disappoints me at times. This isn't a society like Scandinavia or Germany or Holland or Belgium or Canada, where people work together to improve society. It's full of selfish, self entitled dribblers, and as long as things remain the same in that regard, there's an obstacle to improvement.

    Spoken like a true brainwashed fg supporter. Fg and ff are an obstacle to improvement .


  • #120
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'll take it for that money. And I'll do a better job than any of them has done too.

    I would not touch it with a yard stick. I agree with others here the HSE needs gone and a new system should be put in place however this can not be done overnight it needs timing to do right which was the 1 part of O'Reilly plan I agreed on. It the reason why with Martin did it overnight we have all the health board managers still there why it is so top heavy. There is 2 much bureaucracy and that is 1 think that need to be changed as soon as it can


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  • #121
    Flyingsnowball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Flyingsnowball


    Would it be legally possible
    To just close it down and sack everybody.

    Then open a new health service?


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