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UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

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  • #272
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Yan by Sub
    riffmongous wrote: »
    Those are explanations/excuses for why he performed terribly, they don't change the fact that he offered little in the fight after the first round and we watched the BMF let himself be held against the cage and have his toes stood on for literally half the fight.

    Yeah sure most dedicated fans can see it for what it was and look past it and all that BMF bullsh*t, but they'll watch everything anyway, now if I'm paying PPV money specifically to see him, then yeah that was terrible

    Any one who watches any bit of mma knew the outcome of that fight. When you have 1.3 million buys the majority don't know anything about MMA though and would see that as a terrible performance by Jorge.

    Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.


  • #273
    bmcc10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    rob316 wrote: »
    Masvidal Easily the best boxer in the UFC

    No he isn't where has this notion came from?


  • #274
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    US2 wrote: »
    Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.
    Why do you think that?


  • #275
    MidlanderMan
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭MidlanderMan


    rob316 wrote: »
    Easily the best boxer in the UFC

    Cody Garbrandt wants to know how much crack are you smoking?


  • #276
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Esse85


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Those are explanations/excuses for why he performed terribly, they don't change the fact that he offered little in the fight after the first round and we watched the BMF let himself be held against the cage and have his toes stood on for literally half the fight.

    Yeah sure most dedicated fans can see it for what it was and look past it and all that BMF bullsh*t, but they'll watch everything anyway, now if I'm paying PPV money specifically to see him, then yeah that was terrible

    He wasn't terrible, he still went the distance, lasted the 5 rounds, had enough of a defense game to protect himself from serious damage, against the champion, who had a full fight camp to prepare.
    If he was terrible as you claim, he'd not of went the distance and taken multiple damage due to his inability to defend himself.


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  • #277
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Esse85 wrote: »
    He wasn't terrible, he still went the distance, lasted the 5 rounds, had enough of a defense game to protect himself from serious damage, against the champion, who had a full fight camp to prepare.
    If he was terrible as you claim, he'd not of went the distance and taken multiple damage due to his inability to defend himself.
    That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.


  • #278
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    US2 wrote: »
    Any one who watches any bit of mma knew the outcome of that fight. When you have 1.3 million buys the majority don't know anything about MMA though and would see that as a terrible performance by Jorge.

    Personally I think ppv buys is a completely useless metric in this day of free streaming.

    1.3m is big though, I agree when it comes to the smaller numbers maybe but it's still indicative of something special going on when you get near the 1 million mark.


  • #279
    US2
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    Yan by Sub
    More fights tonight only realised that now


  • #280
    Beersmith
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    How is it a useless metric? Surely it is the only one that matters to the ufc??? They don't make money off free streaming! High PPV buy equals more money for them and for the fighters who are the draws.


  • #281
    US2
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    Beersmith wrote: »
    How is it a useless metric? Surely it is the only one that matters to the ufc??? They don't make money off free streaming! High PPV buy equals more money for them and for the fighters who are the draws.

    Useless as In how many people are actually tuning in to watch. Obviously it tells you how much money is being brought in


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  • #282
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Esse85


    riffmongous wrote: »
    That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.

    So all he did was stamp on Masvidals toes was it?
    Why didn't he try take Masvidal down for ground and pound?

    Oh wait, he was trying that and it didn't work.


  • #283
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Usman deserves a lot of credit for even taking the fight. Six days notice vs a completely different style of opponent. Plenty have and would have turned that fight down.

    The fight itself was boring and I expected more from Jorge. He had nothing to offer after round 1 which I felt he won.


  • #284
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    US2 wrote: »
    Useless as In how many people are actually tuning in to watch. Obviously it tells you how much money is being brought in

    It's not supposed to be a measure of the amount of people that watched.
    It's a measure of the amount of people who paid to watch it.

    It's probably a fair assumption that real viewers are proportional to paid viewers. anyway. As in one PPV sells 500k, and another 1m. That the real viewers in including streams/live venues are still going to be double for the second.


  • #285
    rob316
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    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Cody Garbrandt wants to know how much crack are you smoking?

    Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.


  • #286
    US2
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    rob316 wrote: »
    Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.

    Are ye purposely leaving out McGregor?


  • #287
    MidlanderMan
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭MidlanderMan


    US2 wrote: »
    Are ye purposely leaving out McGregor?

    Conor is nowhere near Cody's level of boxing.


    Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.


    Until he gets clipped and loses the rag and runs forward with his chin up.


  • #288
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms. .

    Many people would say those are all Conor outlying strengths also.
    And comparison is completely subjective.


  • #289
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.

    Conor absolutely has those in spades, as well as fantastic distance management and balance.


  • #290
    bmcc10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Calvin Katter too his boxing is high level


  • #291
    MUFC91CS
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    rob316 wrote: »
    Actually forgot about Cody, and Holm of course. But point stands he's one of the best boxers in the UFC.

    I know its true but I find it very hard to believe Holm was a world champion boxer


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  • #292
    mailburner
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    That had more to do with Usman not being interested in actually doing anything other than stepping on his toes, and Masvidal just let him.

    I think camp or no camp usman is just a terrible match up for masvidal and I hope they never fight each other again as it'll be much of the same

    Usman I'm guessing will sell less ppvs in his next 3 combined than this
    one after that performance
    It's a pity fighters don't think about this but I'm guessing winning is
    the be all...

    The ufc on the other hand must have been disgusted after giving
    in to Masvidals demands and then having to watch that


  • #293
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    MUFC91CS wrote: »
    I know its true but I find it very hard to believe Holm was a world champion boxer
    It's not hard to believe on the basis that the standard in womens boxing is poor, especially so 16 years ago. Womens pro titles were only established. All of the titles she picked up were either inaugural or vacant belts.*

    Look at the locations of her fights - most are in her hometown of Albuquerque. And only 3 were outside of New Mexico. Local hero type world champ. Nowhere near the level of the current crop.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Holm#Professional_boxing_career

    *Edit: She lost a title, and won in back in a rematch. That the only time she faced an incumbant champ in 24 title fights.


    Holm was a good female boxer for that era. But she isn't even top 3 in the UFC right now. Let alone including the men.


  • #294
    Beersmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    mailburner wrote: »
    I think camp or no camp usman is just a terrible match up for masvidal and I hope they never fight each other again as it'll be much of the same

    Usman I'm guessing will sell less ppvs in his next 3 combined than this
    one after that performance
    It's a pity fighters don't think about this but I'm guessing winning is
    the be all...

    The ufc on the other hand must have been disgusted after giving
    in to Masvidals demands and then having to watch that

    Doubt they were disgusted. Looks like by paying him and having the fight they made many more millions. They don't care about much else


  • #295
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,511 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Conor is nowhere near Cody's level of boxing.


    Nobody has Cody's hand speed, foot work, shot selection, coordination or power in lb for lb terms.


    Until he gets clipped and loses the rag and runs forward with his chin up.

    Well that's a load of sh*T

    Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

    In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
    You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

    Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,


  • #296
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Well that's a load of sh*T

    Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

    In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
    You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

    Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,

    Yep. It wasn't even worth replying too.


  • #297
    MidlanderMan
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭MidlanderMan


    Dry your eyes lads.

    On skills basis, Cody Garbrandt is levels above Conor's boxing.

    People spent years talking about Cruz's footwork, movement, boxing and head movement, Cody made him look like he was in the wrong sport.



  • #298
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Maybe in offensive boxing? Always considered not getting KO'd one of the key skills in boxing myself. Maybe that's just me though.


  • #299
    Beersmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Dry your eyes lads.

    On skills basis, Cody Garbrandt is levels above Conor's boxing.

    People spent years talking about Cruz's footwork, movement, boxing and head movement, Cody made him look like he was in the wrong sport.


    There was something seriously wrong with cruz for that fight


  • #300
    derfderf
    Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Well that's a load of sh*T

    Its like saying I'm a fantastic soccer player until I get tackled,

    In a boxing match your going to get hit ,When Coady gets hit he gets dropped,
    You also point out he loses his composure another HUGE part of boxing ,

    Its like saying my Aunt had balls she's be my Uncle , Coady missing some of the most vital parts of a brilliant boxing skill set ,

    It's not even when he loses his composure. I saw a video comparing him and TJ early in the first fight. When Tj swings a left hook, his right hand comes up to block his chin. Same the other side. Really disciplined.
    Cody was not doing that at all.

    Even though the last knockout was spectacular, he wasn't defending. And Assuncao was first to land, but he was off target. Won't always happen that way.


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  • #301
    D.Q
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    Beersmith wrote: »
    There was something seriously wrong with cruz for that fight

    He stunk of cigarettes and alcohol tbh


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