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Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

  • 01-12-2020 11:02am
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    Taoiseach Micheál Martin said he was “shocked and dismayed” by a controversial tweet sent by a Sinn Féin TD that referenced IRA attacks during the War of Independence and the Troubles.

    On Saturday, the Laois-Offaly TD tweeted in reference to the Kilmichael Ambush in 1920 and the Narrow Water Massacre in Warrenpoint, Co Down in 1979, claiming they were “the 2 IRA operations that taught the elite of d British army and the establishment the cost of occupying Ireland. Pity for everyone they were such slow learners”.

    Eighteen British soldiers were killed at Warrenpoint by the Provisional IRA on August 27th 1979 a deaf civilian was also killed after soldiers fired across the border into the Irish republic after the attack out of anger and rage.

    In the 1920 incident at Kilmichael, a total of 17 British soldiers were killed, alongside three members of the War of Independence-era IRA.

    Mr Martin said that the tweet by Laois-Offaly TD Brian Stanley was “appalling” and has done “huge damage”

    Do you really think the tweet was all that bad or is Michael just point scoring?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭jprender


    The tweet was disgusting.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    jprender wrote: »
    The tweet was disgusting.

    What do you think was so disgusting about it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,410 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    What do you think was so disgusting about it?

    We're supposed to be moving on from all this bull****.
    How are the protestants up north ever supposed to believe in unification when you still have muppets like this clown tweeting out this crap?
    Or do SF even care about what they think and if unification happens these people think they can do likewise to the prods like what they did to the catholics?
    Seriously what has that achieved but just murder and death on both sides.
    Its time for these SF clowns to get into the 21st century, put on their big boy pants, tell the IRA head honchos to **** off and die and maybe then they'll be ready to actually lead a country.
    But I doubt it by their recent behaviour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭jprender


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    What do you think was so disgusting about it?

    Glorifying murder on either side.

    The British are still here btw, so what exactly is he suggesting when he says they are “slow learners”?

    SF like to distance themselves from the IRA saying that it is in the past, and then you have morons making statements like this 🙄
    Serious lack of brains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    Taoiseach Micheál Martin said he was “shocked and dismayed” by a controversial tweet sent by a Sinn Féin TD that referenced IRA attacks during the War of Independence and the Troubles.

    On Saturday, the Laois-Offaly TD tweeted in reference to the Kilmichael Ambush in 1920 and the Narrow Water Massacre in Warrenpoint, Co Down in 1979, claiming they were “the 2 IRA operations that taught the elite of d British army and the establishment the cost of occupying Ireland. Pity for everyone they were such slow learners”.

    Eighteen British soldiers were killed at Warrenpoint by the Provisional IRA on August 27th 1979 a civilian was also killed after soldiers fired across the border into the Irish republic out of anger and rage.

    In the 1920 incident at Kilmichael, a total of 17 British soldiers were killed, alongside three members of the War of Independence-era IRA.

    Mr Martin said that the tweet by Laois-Offaly TD Brian Stanley was “appalling” and has done “huge damage”

    Do you really think the tweet was all that bad or is Michael just point scoring?

    Point scoring. Polls recently indicated SF on highest support ever(?) so naturally MM will have to use whatever he can to attack them.

    Warrenpoint & Kilmichael were no different really.

    jprender wrote:
    Glorifying murder on either side.

    The British are still here btw, so what exactly is he suggesting when he says they are “slow learners”?

    SF like to distance themselves from the IRA saying that it is in the past, and then you have morons making statements like this 🙄
    Serious lack of brains.

    We glorify murder all the time when we commemorate the Rising and various other skirmishes around Civil war era.
    How is Warrenpoint (or Brian Stanleys tweet mentioning same) any different?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    Blazer wrote: »
    We're supposed to be moving on from all this bull****.
    How are the protestants up north ever supposed to believe in unification when you still have muppets like this clown tweeting out this crap?
    Or do SF even care about what they think and if unification happens these people think they can do likewise to the prods like what they did to the catholics?
    Seriously what has that achieved but just murder and death on both sides.
    Its time for these SF clowns to get into the 21st century, put on their big boy pants, tell the IRA head honchos to **** off and die and maybe then they'll be ready to actually lead a country.
    But I doubt it by their recent behaviour.

    No reference to protestants at all so I don't know what you're ranting on about saying "they think they can do likewise to the prods" .


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The tweet was internet pub republican type content, not befitting of an elected public representative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,038 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    What do you think was so disgusting about it?

    It is quite scary that a few days after the tweet, and after the publicity around it, there are still people who haven't been able to grasp and understand why others are disgusted, horrified and appalled by the tweet.

    That failure to empathise with the other side will forever hold Sinn Fein back from being part of normal society and also why they are completely unfit for government.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    If this "Shocked and Dismayed" him, then I don't think he's really up to running a Government in hard times, too much stress on the poor thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    jprender wrote: »
    The tweet was disgusting.

    No it wasn’t

    It was stating a fact

    The two ambushes were similar

    That tweet was nothing out of the ordinary, no different to any second DUP tweet

    British MPs regularly remember their “heroic soldiers” and say, not very nice things about the foreigners they were “civilising”


    In fact, shortly after that tweet you had the
    Dee Ewe Pay whinging about government commemorations of Kilmichael,
    any statement from FF, the Republican Party on that?

    MM and the Irish media will do anything to avoid questions about his spineless lack of action regarding Finucane’s murder


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    No it wasn’t

    It was stating a fact

    The two ambushes were similar

    That tweet was nothing out of the ordinary, no different to any second DUP tweet

    British MPs regularly remember their “heroic soldiers” and say, not very nice things about the foreigners they were “civilising”


    In fact, shortly after that tweet you had the
    Dee Ewe Pay whinging about government commemorations of Kilmichael,
    any statement from FF, the Republican Party on that?

    MM and the Irish media will do anything to avoid questions about his spineless lack of action regarding Finucane’s murder

    Whatabout isn’t the best defence here.
    It was stupid. I’d be expecting a lot better from Brian Stanley (who I thought was one of the better SF TDs)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    Whatabout isn’t the best defence here.
    It was stupid. I’d be expecting a lot better from Brian Stanley (who I thought was one of the better SF TDs)

    Fair play to him for commemorating two great guerilla attacks, in reference to the warrenpoint ambush the regiment they attacked had already been responsible for 3 massacres of Irish men women and children.

    If the IRA didn't hand out some justice you best believe no one else would have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,410 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    No reference to protestants at all so I don't know what you're ranting on about saying "they think they can do likewise to the prods" .


    Fact is at a critical point in time with Brexit looming potentially unification could come down the road and comments like this are not helpful to the unification narrative.
    Whether you like it or not there is a still huge UK support in the North and both sides need to move forward and integrate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,204 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    If this "Shocked and Dismayed" him, then I don't think he's really up to running a Government in hard times, too much stress on the poor thing.


    To be fair...what was he supposed to say:- "Relax lads. Sure what do you expect from that shower."


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,218 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    That tweet was nothing out of the ordinary, no different to any second DUP tweet

    British MPs regularly remember their “heroic soldiers” and say, not very nice things about the foreigners they were “civilising”
    Wouldn't you hope that people could be better than that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The tweet was internet pub republican type content, not befitting of an elected public representative.

    Neither is leaking Confidential documents to mates and telling other party members what crony's to appoint to the Supreme Court. Can't have your cake and eat it.

    This SF lad was stupid to put up a tweet and give an under pressure government a chance to point score like this. The SF leadership need to have a word with the party faithful and see if they can drum a bit of sense into them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,372 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Hard to know which was more offensive in the tweet - the content or the standard of spelling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭grassylawn


    It's common to commemorate your own dead soldiers, or celebrate victories in wars or even battles.

    This is not any of those things, it's just celebrating killing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    I think what's missed here is that the 1920 IRA were working on behalf of the democratically elected Dáil and had widespread support to be the legitimate army of the new nation.

    Whether you agree with partition or not, the PROVOs didn't have this level of widespread support (most people hate/were afraid of them) and the world had moved on (after two world wars) to where violent uprisings were a thing of the past (certainly in Western Europe).


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,038 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think what's missed here is that the 1920 IRA were working on behalf of the democratically elected Dáil and had widespread support to be the legitimate army of the new nation.

    Whether you agree with partition or not, the PROVOs didn't have this level of widespread support (most people hate/were afraid of them) and the world had moved on (after two world wars) to where violent uprisings were a thing of the past (certainly in Western Europe).

    Some people just refuse to move on.

    There are those who claim all of the problems on this island are mainly due to partition. It is a huge insult to all of those people who have lived and worked through the last century to make Ireland near the top of the list of every international ranking as a place to live and work.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 273 ✭✭Hqrry113


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Some people just refuse to move on.

    There are those who claim all of the problems on this island are mainly due to partition. It is a huge insult to all of those people who have lived and worked through the last century to make Ireland near the top of the list of every international ranking as a place to live and work.

    How is that an insult what are you even going on about?


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Neither is leaking Confidential documents to mates and telling other party members what crony's to appoint to the Supreme Court. Can't have your cake and eat it.

    This SF lad was stupid to put up a tweet and give an under pressure government a chance to point score like this. The SF leadership need to have a word with the party faithful and see if they can drum a bit of sense into them.

    Is there a "doing stupid sh1t" competition here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is there a "doing stupid sh1t" competition here?

    Seems to be. Just calling out the hypocrisy going on, Lads here defending what Leo Varadkar and Helen McEntee done the last few weeks and now are furious over a tweet. Can't be having it both ways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    A bunch of knuckle draggers .

    Listening to ml on the radio this morning taking about people commemorating dates in what she Said was Irish history ,
    Massive double standards crying about Loughgall and trying to have social media content removed from YouTube as due to victims families sensitivity ,
    So the ira kill soldiers or police officers the days must be commemorated ,ira get kills carrying out a terror attack and oh this of the victims ,you mean the scum the set out to kill innocent people ,and it's not to be discussed ,no videos to be shown about it ,and a memorial service for the terrorists ,

    The North can never move on as long as the old guard have all of the power ,
    They need new political parties that have no connection to the past and only want to move forward


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,128 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Seems to be. Just calling out the hypocrisy going on, Lads here defending what Leo Varadkar and Helen McEntee done the last few weeks and now are furious over a tweet. Can't be having it both ways.

    That’s not having it both ways?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,128 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    It was an idiotic tweet but anyone who is surprised by this sort of thing coming from SF haven’t been paying attention.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    Floppybits wrote: »
    This SF lad was stupid to put up a tweet and give an under pressure government a chance to point score like this. The SF leadership need to have a word with the party faithful and see if they can drum a bit of sense into them.

    This exactly. When SF had such a great general election last time out, they spoiled their own celebrations by regularly saying and doing stupid things, and drawing negative attention on themselves immediately.

    This time the current government seem to trying wholeheartedly to sabotage themselves; you'd think the message from above in SF would be for everyone to keep their noses clean, don't do or say anything stupid that takes the spotlight off FF / FG, but they just cant help themselves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭KarlMarks


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It was an idiotic tweet but anyone who is surprised by this sort of thing coming from SF haven’t been paying attention.

    It wasn't an idiotic tweet. It was a tweet from a Republican celebrating two military actions against the foreign army present on this island. This nonensne about Republicans being allowed to think these things but not say them should not be tolerated. FF and FG are making hay from this, and the 26 county SF party are falling for it. I just hope Ogra SF has more radical members as this is real tugging the forelock stuff from MLMD etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jprender wrote: »
    Glorifying murder on either side.

    The British are still here btw, so what exactly is he suggesting when he says they are “slow learners”?

    SF like to distance themselves from the IRA saying that it is in the past, and then you have morons making statements like this ��
    Serious lack of brains.

    I think people like FF/FG try sell that idea but I don't see it. Why should they distance themselves? It's in the past and the tweet was regarding the past. It was no call to arms. He was free to make the statement IMO. There are ex-IRA in SF. SF and the IRA would likely be proud of their history. We need to understand that.
    The like of MM pretending to be aghast is pure bull****.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,038 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    I think people like FF/FG try sell that idea but I don't see it. Why should they distance themselves? It's in the past and the tweet was regarding the past. It was no call to arms. He was free to make the statement IMO. There are ex-IRA in SF. SF and the IRA would likely be proud of their history. We need to understand that.
    The like of MM pretending to be aghast is pure bull****.

    Have to agree with you there that Sinn Fein are proud of what the IRA did and what they supported them to do - the killing of children, the disappeance of mothers, the sexual abuse, the torture and killing of Paul Quinn, the rape of Mairia Cahill, the protection of Liam Adams, the kneecappings, the targetting of civilians etc.

    That is why this all needs to be pointed out, because while you and I will understand that Sinn Fein are proud of this history, too many people have forgotten what they are.


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