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  • #362
    BigJackC
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 333 ✭✭BigJackC


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Forget Right Wing or Left Wing stuff.

    This about protecting human beings, women, children and men from attacks in the open because people are not willing to accept them for who they are or they can be treated like meat.

    Ian O'Doherty summed it up well in his column.
    Does anyone - and I mean anyone - not feel outrage that Western women are now expected to conform to the social mores of backward 'cultures' simply for their own safety?

    We've seen similar developments in Sweden, Denmark and Finland and now asylum seekers in Sweden are to be given lessons teaching them not to rape.

    I really don't care what desert hell hole you've come from, if you need to be educated in the fine art of not raping people, then Europe is better off without you.

    Perhaps the laziest cliché is how the 'far right' is stoking racial tensions. Not true - racial tensions are being stoked by mass sexual assaults.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-the-lessons-europe-is-learning-way-too-late-34365639.html


  • #363
    crybaby
    Registered Users Posts: 852 ✭✭✭crybaby


    Is it a sign of getting old when I start agreeing with Ian O'Doherty articles?


  • #364
    tommyboy2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭tommyboy2222


    crybaby wrote: »
    Is it a sign of getting old when I start agreeing with Ian O'Doherty articles?

    No it's a sign of common sense.


  • #365
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    crybaby wrote: »
    Is it a sign of getting old when I start agreeing with Ian O'Doherty articles?

    No its just a sign that youve copped on a bit.

    Ever since I signed onto boards 2010/11 I was always gob smacked by the naivety of a lot of the posters. So much so that I put my location as a tongue in cheek gesture. THe thing is I detest the right just as much, but as least with the far right you know what you are getting.

    There are posters here that seem to have their tongues stuck up each others holes, the funny thing is they think themselves worldly and traveled, and blah blah blah. ad in reality they have the life experience of a goldfish in a pet shop.

    Now the difference I see.....people are starting to question. And thats what I like to see. Questions thats all. You dont have to agree with me on everything but just ask questions.

    And the best question you can ever ask is who benefits? and one other simple bit of advice, follow the money.
    Once those are answered its easy to come up with an answer.

    Life is very simple if you step away from the keyboard and take a look around every once in a while, also, never surround yourself with people that think the same as you and agree with you on everything..... remember the goldfish analogy.


  • #366
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    kupus wrote: »
    ............

    There are posters here that seem to have their tongues stuck up each others holes, the funny thing is they think themselves worldly and traveled, and blah blah blah. ad in reality they have the life experience of a goldfish in a pet shop.
    .............

    So you can judge a persons world and life experience on the strength of whether or not they agree with you. By jaysus, that's deep.


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  • #367
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you can judge a persons world and life experience on the strength of whether or not they agree with you. By jaysus, that's deep.

    about as deep as a supporter of a baby murdering terrorist group. im sure slab murphy is a grand fella.

    I judge people on how they can act outside their comfort zone nad whether they surround themselves with yes men. plain and simple.


  • #368
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    kupus wrote: »
    about as deep as a supporter of a baby murdering terrorist group. im sure slab murphy is a grand fella..


    And behold, the dual purposed Ad hominem/Red herring remark.
    kupus wrote: »
    I judge people on how they can act outside their comfort zone nad whether they surround themselves with yes men. plain and simple.

    Again- how would you know? This is a text based message board. Unless you actually know the person in real life, and I mean know them well, not in passing, you've no way of telling. Unless of course you resort to the "they don't agree with me therefore...." method.


  • #369
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Nodin wrote: »
    And behold, the dual purposed Ad hominem/Red herring remark.
    Ok Ill take that back and shouldnt have siad it. Sorry.

    but coming from you thats a compliment:p shure your the king of deflecting threads.
    Ill edit it out if you want.


  • #370
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Until Islam has a "Vatican II" style reshuffle, its dogma is incompatible with a western lifestyle. The punishment for apostasy is still death ffs.

    Now, for the record, Islam =/= Muslim people.

    I cannot see that happening in the next 50/70 years.


  • #371
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    kupus wrote: »
    DISTORT the problem..... right wingers didnt like trans before this, why now
    I share the concerns people have about the sexual assaults and islamic fundamentalism in general, but just on the above point: if a person who is trans sees people making derogatory comments about trans people/being complacent about the experiences trans people have to put up with in general, and then, not long after, the same people expressing concern for the trans woman this thread is about, it's understandable for a trans person to view this as pretty dishonest and hollow.


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  • #372
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    I cannot see that happening in the next 50/70 years.

    Given that there is no church establishment and thus no "Vatican", its actually a non-starter of a notion.


  • #373
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Nodin wrote: »
    Given that there is no church establishment and thus no "Vatican", its actually a non-starter of a notion.
    Absolutely true and as such its dogma will continue to be at odds with western secularism. This issue can only be perpetuated or resolved by its adherents.


  • #374
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Absolutely true and as such its dogma will continue to be at odds with western secularism. This issue can only be perpetuated or resolved by its adherents.

    ...millions live in the west and seem to get on fine.


  • #375
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...millions live in the west and seem to get on fine.

    And as long as they continue to ignore some of the core tenets of their faith they will continue to do so.


  • #376
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    And as long as they continue to ignore some of the core tenets of their faith they will continue to do so.

    Also true of Christians, to be fair. Islam hardly has the monopoly on crazy.


  • #377
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Also true of Christians, to be fair. Islam hardly has the monopoly on crazy.
    Oh 100% I agree. However, Christianity does not call for those who leave the religion to be put to death for example.


  • #378
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Oh 100% I agree. However, Christianity does not call for those who leave the religion to be put to death for example.

    The catholic church deal with that issue a different way, they just won't let you leave.


  • #379
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Whosthis wrote: »
    The catholic church deal with that issue a different way, they just won't let you leave.
    Yep, utterly outrageous but ultimately laughable. A death sentence is quite another matter.


  • #380
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Also true of Christians, to be fair. Islam hardly has the monopoly on crazy.
    Certainly, though even the briefest of study of the basics of theology, philosophy and early history of both faiths shows quite large differences. IMH those that compare the two as if that's an argument have studied neither to any degree.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #381
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    As the youngest of the major Abrahamic religions, Islam has more to prove. Let's say that Islam is 500 years younger than Christianity.... What were Christians doing in the 1500s?....yeah, scary stuff. So if we imagine for arguments sake that Islam is at a similar stage of "development" (bear with me) then it would make sense that Islam is at a more committed, passionate and literal time in its life. Hence it stands to reason that it's dogma will be at odds with western secular society which is essentially based on a lapsed and flabby Christianity which has exhausted itself of fire and brimstone.


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  • #382
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Yep, utterly outrageous but ultimately laughable. A death sentence is quite another matter.

    I think it should be quite obvious that I didn't intend the two to be comparable


  • #383
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Whosthis wrote: »
    I think it should be quite obvious that I didn't intend the two to be comparable
    You're right, it should be.


  • #384
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    You're right, it should be.

    Zzz, predictable post is predictable.


  • #385
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    In terms of today, comparing catholic fanaticism with islamic fanaticism is not really comparing like with like. Both extremist takes on their respective dogmas but in terms of the acts that are carried out, and the numbers willing to carry these out, they are not comparable.

    I'm not a practising catholic, or religious at all, by the way.


  • #386
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-This has gone way off topic and is no longer about the opening post.
    Locked.


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