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alfa beta · 26-11-2019, 23:39

So, my Dad (God rest his motoring and hoarding soul) bought a new Peugeot 504 in 1976, drove it home, decided he wasn't that keen on it, wrapped it in a few blankets and some plastic sheets, then kept it hidden away in the garage for the rest of his (and its) life.

It's now 2019 so the car is 43 years old, yet to all intents and purposes, it's actually brand new - unregistered as far as I can see and with just a couple of hundred miles on the clock. I'd love to get it up and running but need a few pointers as to where I should start with regard to the tax/registration side of things as I've no knowledge about classics at all.

The car has no plates and there is no sign of a log book or any form of documentation, not even a sales invoice/receipt or anything like that (you see, while he was an avid hoarder of things, he wasn't so keen a keeper of paperwork :-). So, my question is, what would be the first step to take as regard getting this car officially on the road?

(Btw, my dad's entire estate was left to my mum when he passed away last year, so I guess she would be the official owner now and we would be looking to register it in her name.)

As I said above, any initial pointers from anyone who has any direct knowledge of this sort of thing would be great. I have done some googling but I haven't found a scenario exactly like this, so I thought it would be worth asking the question here and seeing what you guys think and what advice you could offer - Many thanks in advance for your help.

irshmerc · 27-11-2019, 01:02

Motor tax office, facts are always gonna be better than opinions.

Good luck

**macplaxton** · 27-11-2019, 03:36

NCTS will register it on behalf of Revenue. VRT category C is flat rate €200.

First step would be to approach an organisation or club in order to get some details verified. Membership or a fee may be charged.

From the NCTS:

"For Vintage Vehicles: if the original documentation is not available, a declaration in respect of the vehicle particulars from an enthusiasts’ organisation or club which provides the data necessary for registration will be accepted at the centre. The letter must include year of manufacture, first date of registration year, engine size, make and model."

Perhaps the IVVCC (Irish Veteran & Vintage Car Club - www.ivvcc.ie ) could help you either themselves or refer you to the appropriate organisation.

[I know in the UK the registration authorities there have a list of clubs (V765) they'll accept supporting evidence from where manufacturers no longer have records or aren't interested. From what I hear it's quite hard to get on the list and quite easy to get struck off it. If they don't actually see the vehicle themselves, they can't sign it off and in certain circumstances have to send another club on the list to assist (even if not for the same marque) as they might be considerably closer.]

Good luck with getting the information you need in a format that the NCTS require.

alfa beta · 27-11-2019, 14:53

Thanks for that info Macplaxton - and for the links - looks like a good starting point - appreciate your help

pablo128 · 27-11-2019, 15:04

This thread is no use without pics.

Chinese whospers · 27-11-2019, 15:05

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Originally Posted by pablo128

This thread is no use without pics.

Would love to see some, but was waiting for someone else to ask

OU812 · 27-11-2019, 15:06

It's probably going to need some work on the engine. If he just parked it after buying it & deciding he didn't like it (how rich are you exactly), then chances are the fluids in the engine are all gone & there may be some other damage.

Maybe you should document it

Love to see some pics

alfa beta · 27-11-2019, 17:28

I'll post pics as soon as I can - At the moment the car is still well and truly covered and parked at the back of a (thankfully dry) shed surrounded by other dead (but, unlike the peugeot, very used and invariably rusty) vehicles. The old man could not get rid of anything lol.

Last time I looked at it (a good few years back now) the body and interior etc were absolutely perfect - it even had that 'new car smell'!! Mechanically I don't yet know what will need doing - obviously after years and years of just sitting there, lots of things would presumably be seized up. I'll just have to get googling and hopefully find someone who knows what they're doing when it comes to bringing something like this back to life.

Definitely an interesting project though and one that I'll update on this thread on as I navigate my way through it.

(Oh and as for the question as to whether my dad was rich. The answer is not really, just a bit eccentric!!)

Isambard · 27-11-2019, 18:14

we'll be happy to look at the rusty ones too.....

The Red Ace · 27-11-2019, 19:33

Rare to hear of a discovery like this in this country and it will draw some attention when you start to bring it to shows, as regards registering, it may be worth an email or phone call to Gowan distributors with the chassis number as they may still have records as to which main agent got delivery of the car when new. If you can find the dealer there is a chance records still exist which would tell you if it was registered and reclaim its original number. Good luck and looking forward to seeing some pics, btw I had a 404 around the same time and still have a 205 gti under wraps.

Titzon Toast · 27-11-2019, 19:52

This is gonna be great!

aujopimur · 27-11-2019, 20:40

€200 VRT will not apply here, It will be liable to 36%VRT.

Chinese whospers · 27-11-2019, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Ace

it may be worth an email or phone call to Gowan distributors with the chassis number as they may still have records as to which main agent got delivery of the car when new. If you can find the dealer there is a chance records still exist which would tell you if it was registered and reclaim its original number.

Yeah, it'd be more special with an original and not a ZV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titzon Toast

This is gonna be great!

Like a motor version of the safe thread... only with something worthwhile

w124man · 27-11-2019, 21:17

Surely if this car has not been registered before all the normal VRT rules will not apply.

contrary_devil · 27-11-2019, 21:30

Nice one OP.
I would also suggest that Gowan Distributors be your first port of call, I had to contact them a few years ago and I found them very helpful. If you're lucky someone there might be interested in your story and be more than willing to help.

Best of luck with your endeavour.

26-11-2019, 23:39	#1
alfa beta Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 753 Adverts \| Friends	New, unregistered Irish-bought car from 1976 - where do I start? So, my Dad (God rest his motoring and hoarding soul) bought a new Peugeot 504 in 1976, drove it home, decided he wasn't that keen on it, wrapped it in a few blankets and some plastic sheets, then kept it hidden away in the garage for the rest of his (and its) life. It's now 2019 so the car is 43 years old, yet to all intents and purposes, it's actually brand new - unregistered as far as I can see and with just a couple of hundred miles on the clock. I'd love to get it up and running but need a few pointers as to where I should start with regard to the tax/registration side of things as I've no knowledge about classics at all. The car has no plates and there is no sign of a log book or any form of documentation, not even a sales invoice/receipt or anything like that (you see, while he was an avid hoarder of things, he wasn't so keen a keeper of paperwork :-). So, my question is, what would be the first step to take as regard getting this car officially on the road? (Btw, my dad's entire estate was left to my mum when he passed away last year, so I guess she would be the official owner now and we would be looking to register it in her name.) As I said above, any initial pointers from anyone who has any direct knowledge of this sort of thing would be great. I have done some googling but I haven't found a scenario exactly like this, so I thought it would be worth asking the question here and seeing what you guys think and what advice you could offer - Many thanks in advance for your help.

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27-11-2019, 01:02	#2
irshmerc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 49 Adverts \| Friends	Motor tax office, facts are always gonna be better than opinions. Good luck

27-11-2019, 03:36	#3
macplaxton Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,826 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Classic Cars, ZTest	NCTS will register it on behalf of Revenue. VRT category C is flat rate €200. First step would be to approach an organisation or club in order to get some details verified. Membership or a fee may be charged. From the NCTS: "For Vintage Vehicles: if the original documentation is not available, a declaration in respect of the vehicle particulars from an enthusiasts’ organisation or club which provides the data necessary for registration will be accepted at the centre. The letter must include year of manufacture, first date of registration year, engine size, make and model." Perhaps the IVVCC (Irish Veteran & Vintage Car Club - www.ivvcc.ie ) could help you either themselves or refer you to the appropriate organisation. [I know in the UK the registration authorities there have a list of clubs (V765) they'll accept supporting evidence from where manufacturers no longer have records or aren't interested. From what I hear it's quite hard to get on the list and quite easy to get struck off it. If they don't actually see the vehicle themselves, they can't sign it off and in certain circumstances have to send another club on the list to assist (even if not for the same marque) as they might be considerably closer.] Good luck with getting the information you need in a format that the NCTS require.

27-11-2019, 14:53	#4
alfa beta Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 753 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks for that info Macplaxton - and for the links - looks like a good starting point - appreciate your help

27-11-2019, 15:04	#5
pablo128 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,144	This thread is no use without pics.

27-11-2019, 15:06	#7
OU812 Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,351 Adverts \| Friends	It's probably going to need some work on the engine. If he just parked it after buying it & deciding he didn't like it (how rich are you exactly), then chances are the fluids in the engine are all gone & there may be some other damage. Maybe you should document it Love to see some pics

27-11-2019, 17:28	#8
alfa beta Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 753 Adverts \| Friends	I'll post pics as soon as I can - At the moment the car is still well and truly covered and parked at the back of a (thankfully dry) shed surrounded by other dead (but, unlike the peugeot, very used and invariably rusty) vehicles. The old man could not get rid of anything lol. Last time I looked at it (a good few years back now) the body and interior etc were absolutely perfect - it even had that 'new car smell'!! Mechanically I don't yet know what will need doing - obviously after years and years of just sitting there, lots of things would presumably be seized up. I'll just have to get googling and hopefully find someone who knows what they're doing when it comes to bringing something like this back to life. Definitely an interesting project though and one that I'll update on this thread on as I navigate my way through it. (Oh and as for the question as to whether my dad was rich. The answer is not really, just a bit eccentric!!)

27-11-2019, 18:14	#9
Isambard Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 4,624 Adverts \| Friends	we'll be happy to look at the rusty ones too.....

27-11-2019, 19:33	#10
The Red Ace Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,187 Adverts \| Friends	Rare to hear of a discovery like this in this country and it will draw some attention when you start to bring it to shows, as regards registering, it may be worth an email or phone call to Gowan distributors with the chassis number as they may still have records as to which main agent got delivery of the car when new. If you can find the dealer there is a chance records still exist which would tell you if it was registered and reclaim its original number. Good luck and looking forward to seeing some pics, btw I had a 404 around the same time and still have a 205 gti under wraps.

27-11-2019, 19:52	#11
Titzon Toast Registered User Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,924 Adverts \| Friends	This is gonna be great!

27-11-2019, 20:40	#12
aujopimur Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,920 Adverts \| Friends	€200 VRT will not apply here, It will be liable to 36%VRT.

27-11-2019, 21:17	#14
w124man Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,913 Adverts \| Friends	Surely if this car has not been registered before all the normal VRT rules will not apply.

27-11-2019, 21:30	#15
contrary_devil Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 173 Adverts \| Friends	Nice one OP. I would also suggest that Gowan Distributors be your first port of call, I had to contact them a few years ago and I found them very helpful. If you're lucky someone there might be interested in your story and be more than willing to help. Best of luck with your endeavour.