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Championship and Covid

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Kids are already socialising in non distancing groups. On roads close to me when I was out earlier today, you had a huge bouncy castle for toddlers, a football match and 5/6 girls pucking a ball around!

    No child under 12 has died and very few (any??) have been infected. It is time to lift the restrictions on schools and sports.

    On a practical note, however, I was listening to John O'Leary on radio earlier - he's involved in Fingal Ravens under 12s - and he reckons there's no chance of logistically getting the whole thing together competitively any time soon. Training be first step with smaller numbers he reckons.

    Senior inter county just not going to happen.
    I'm not commenting either way on the risk, but several hundred people under 14 have been confirmed positive, including 150 under 5 years old. I'd also imagine it's a major undercount as they'd be by far the least tested population.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/summary/


  • Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭poppers


    I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

    He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....

    While iagree the gaa shoud restart only 2 weeks ago
    The same colm who was saying it was no safe to hold the leaving cert this year.
    Think omcolm like to be on the populist side of the argument


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    No doubt probably more than 400 odd under 14s have had/have the virus but symptoms have not been serious enough to prompt parents to go to have it checked. Which suggests a high level of natural resistance unfortunately absent in older cohorts.

    Interesting that of the almost 1,000 meat workers tested that only 15 required hospitalization and of those who were found to have virus 60% were back in work with several weeks.

    Presumably none of them actually felt ill and only a minority would have had the test had it not been for the clusters being identified.

    So it is a complex situation but overall picture surely suggests that we be a bit more pro active in lifting the restrictions?

    GAA is neither here nor there. They did right thing based on evidence at time and we should just write this year off and thank our stars the pandemic did not turn out to be worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Fred Daly


    Hopefully the pandemic will not resurface in the next couple of months, as regards the clusters in the meat factories the workers were afraid to go sick because the conditions they work under bring attension on the factories they work in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

    He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....

    Underage games wouldn't have been due to commence until July, but the advice provided by our National team of experts overseeing the emergency response was to have small team training back by June 8th and all pitches open from May 18th.

    Apparently, the GAA management committee and County Board chairmen know better than NPHET in that case as the Covid Response committee has only been set up subsequently.

    For what it's worth, I think Horan had a point in saying it would be difficult to marshal if the pitches opened everywhere. But there's a direct contradiction to that pragmatism in talks of simply delaying the phased approach by an additional two months:

    "It's expected that a phased approach to returning to training and playing will be laid out; one that will be developed in full collaboration with the chief medical experts.

    If the green light is in time given, return-to-training phases will start off with small groups, expand to full group non-contact training, and eventually full contact training."


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Fred Daly wrote: »
    Hopefully the pandemic will not resurface in the next couple of months, as regards the clusters in the meat factories the workers were afraid to go sick because the conditions they work under bring attension on the factories they work in.

    They didnt know they were sick in vast majority of cases! Until tested and symptoms were mild.

    Yes, they do have poor conditions and poor union representation in SIPTU which is happy to go along with low wages = 50c above minimum wage- and below in reality for agency workers, once the subs come in to pay their vast bureaucracy of leftie party time servers. . Same as in Keelings and other places.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,931 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Underage games wouldn't have been due to commence until July, but the advice provided by our National team of experts overseeing the emergency response was to have small team training back by June 8th and all pitches open from May 18th.

    Apparently, the GAA management committee and County Board chairmen know better than NPHET in that case as the Covid Response committee has only been set up subsequently.

    For what it's worth, I think Horan had a point in saying it would be difficult to marshal if the pitches opened everywhere. But there's a direct contradiction to that pragmatism in talks of simply delaying the phased approach by an additional two months:

    "It's expected that a phased approach to returning to training and playing will be laid out; one that will be developed in full collaboration with the chief medical experts.

    If the green light is in time given, return-to-training phases will start off with small groups, expand to full group non-contact training, and eventually full contact training."


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/

    July ?

    Much earlier than that.

    For example Kerry under 12 county league was due to start on March 29th.

    And Feile Pel na nOg due to be held in Ulster would be done and dusted in late June.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    July ?

    Much earlier than that.

    For example Kerry under 12 county league was due to start on March 29th.

    And Feile Pel na nOg due to be held in Ulster would be done and dusted in late June.

    I mean under the Governments 5 phase plan. There were underage games played in January/February


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Our county (Wicklow) still publish the full weekly fixtures online but they are all marked as postponed. I really think the GAA should publish a full back to business plan. Starting with u8s all the way up to senior....


  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx


    arctictree wrote: »
    Our county (Wicklow) still publish the full weekly fixtures online but they are all marked as postponed. I really think the GAA should publish a full back to business plan. Starting with u8s all the way up to senior....

    Very hard to do so when you don't know when you'll be returning to playing matches. I.e. you don't know for how long this year, if at all. So it's practically impossible to restructure the schedules of tournaments at the moment.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭Feenie


    I'm alright with the senior county game being put on hold, we can live without it for a year.
    Open up our GAA pitches, let us go for a kick or a puck around. Sooner rather than later let the young fellas play a few matches with their clubs. As time goes on, let some of the older age groups play, and of course the crowds would get bigger, so be careful.
    If we don't get something, college, county, club or whatever else, Ireland will lose it's ****ing mind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,553 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It would piss you off wouldn't it

    Glorious match weather

    To hear the dreaded or joyful 'Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please'


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,013 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    It would piss you off wouldn't it

    Glorious match weather

    To hear the dreaded or joyful 'Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please'

    Be scalded on a terrace in this weather, it would be great.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    New infections on the rise again.
    Morans thronging to beaches and parks in the last week then capped off by this in Dublin yesterday.....
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    This is the kind of ****e that will scupper any acceleration in the easing of restrictions. 2 weeks time will tell alot.

    All is not lost though. We have Colm O'Rourke today saying that the GAA was being over cautious and should be opening up....that's the same Colm O'Rourke that 3 weeks ago was saying it wasn't safe to hold the leaving cert.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭Mick McGraw


    Disgraceful that the march yesterday it was allowed to go ahead.



    The same people marching yesterday are almost certainly the same exact types who will be pontificating to everyone about protecting the vulnerable and front line staff .


    Idiots not following guidelines is almost certainly going to be used as a reason to push out the lock down even further and could undo a lot of progress that has been made in controlling the disease in the last month or so.


    March with thousands of people in Dublin = OK
    GAA training session with around 30 people = Not OK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 RebelRising18


    Disgraceful that the march yesterday it was allowed to go ahead.



    The same people marching yesterday are almost certainly the same exact types who will be pontificating to everyone about protecting the vulnerable and front line staff .


    Idiots not following guidelines is almost certainly going to be used as a reason to push out the lock down even further and could undo a lot of progress that has been made in controlling the disease in the last month or so.


    March with thousands of people in Dublin = OK
    GAA training session with around 30 people = Not OK.

    It’ll be interesting to see if there is a spike in cases because of the protest in a couple of weeks time, if not there is no reason to stop club training and games going ahead in July/August as planned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭dobman88


    That's after annoying me a lot more than I feel it should. I cant go home to Kerry alone and go for a hike alone and stay with my brother but 1000s of people can go for a march across a city in close proximity to one another. Ive done my level best to abide by everything the government have suggested and enforced. We're either practicing social distancing and enforcing restrictions or we're not. I was so close to jumping in the car and head for Killarney this morning only the missus talked me out of it.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    dobman88 wrote: »
    That's after annoying me a lot more than I feel it should. I cant go home to Kerry alone and go for a hike alone and stay with my brother but 1000s of people can go for a march across a city in close proximity to one another. Ive done my level best to abide by everything the government have suggested and enforced. We're either practicing social distancing and enforcing restrictions or we're not. I was so close to jumping in the car and head for Killarney this morning only the missus talked me out of it.

    The vast majority of the media are completely whitewashing it too. We really are just pawns.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭dobman88


    The vast majority of the media are completely whitewashing it too. We really are just pawns.

    Yeah I was surprised nobody picked up on it to call out the flouting of restrictions. I 100% support the cause they are protesting for, I just dont think it should be done while we're on lockdown and have restricted movement.

    Now I'm gone miles off topic and I apologise. Just needed to vent and I tend to avoid the other forums on here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx


    Buff Egan posted his opinion on the march in Dublin regarding mass gatherings. He supports the #BlackLivesMatter movement, but he is opposed to the march being allowed to happen when the government are giving advice to do the exact opposite. He calls for Leo to lift the lockdowns or condemn the march. Interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Buff Egan posted his opinion on the march in Dublin regarding mass gatherings. He supports the #BlackLivesMatter movement, but he is opposed to the march being allowed to happen when the government are giving advice to do the exact opposite. He calls for Leo to lift the lockdowns or condemn the march. Interesting.
    In these challenging times the nation looks to Buff Egan for leadership and insight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    In these challenging times the nation looks to Buff Egan for leadership and insight.

    I know what you mean, but in this case he is right though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    I know what you mean, but in this case he is right though.

    Ah yeah, it's just that the opinion is so widely held it's kind of odd to single out the fact that buff Egan holds it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx


    Ah yeah, it's just that the opinion is so widely held it's kind of odd to single out the fact that buff Egan holds it.
    This is a public forum for posting opinions and having discussions. I posted what Buff Egan made of it, for those who hadn't already seen it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    This is a public forum for posting opinions and having discussions. I posted what Buff Egan made of it, for those who hadn't already seen it.

    My mate John thinks keeping the public safe has to be priority one, and thinks the reopening of pitches should be done slowly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,553 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    If the knockout Championship happens in October/November will it actually replicate the championship as we know it ??

    All Ireland final build up events, Parades for the winners etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    From the Irish Examiner

    Inter-county teams will be told by the GAA that they cannot officially return to collective training until September.

    The stipulation comes as details of the Association’s plans to restart Gaelic football and hurling were released to their management committee and Central Council on Thursday evening.


    GAA director of player, club, and games administration Feargal McGill, who is on the organisation’s Covid-19 advisory committee, was among Croke Park officials who briefed delegates about the roadmap in a teleconference.

    Details of the plan will not be released until the Government confirm on Friday that the phase two of its own roadmap will go ahead on Monday. Not only is it expected that pitches with walkways will reopen pending application next week but the GAA are set to allow training to resume on June 28, the start of the Government’s phase three, instead of July 20.

    In news that was greeted with relief and cheer by delegates, it is envisaged that club action will return in mid to late July with the possibility that counties could have 10 weeks or more to complete their championships. It had been suggested that the provincial and All-Ireland club competitions could be jettisoned but that has yet to be confirmed.

    The GAA maintain the inter-county scene will recommence in October with a straight knock-out format being adopted in both senior football and hurling championships. It is expected that will run up to the end of November with a strong chance one of the major games could coincide with the Bloody Sunday centenary commemoration in Croke Park on November 22.

    The Central Competitions Control Committee are expected to provide further information on how they envisage the Championships being structured and scheduled although a new provincial draw is not required in football but will be needed in hurling as both Leinster and Munster competitions currently run on a rota system.


    A press conference outlining exactly what the remainder of the season from a national perspective could take place next week. The GAA’s roadmap will require approval from the Government’s Return To Sport expert group but that is not expected to be an issue.

    The GAA have been buoyed by the expert advice of the medical expertise on their coronavirus advisory body that the extent of the disease is weakening, and while restrictions will be in place for the foreseeable future it is envisaged crowds will be able to attend Championship games in the autumn


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    Good news. Clubs will get a chance to let rip at it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,553 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    Good news. Clubs will get a chance to let rip at it

    1st round club games will be brawls

    Lots of pent-up anger brewing cause of this lockdown


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