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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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    #32
    abacus120
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭abacus120


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    The 5th is a Saturday

    Apologies all students will be back on the 4th of september


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    #33
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Love how that's what you took from the links I posted but have a look at the last Lancet link.


    Wow, did your job deduct earnings from you when your children were at home? That's actually discrimination based on family status and you could take a case with the LRC.

    No when I was working but then I pay myself even when I'm posting here. However I couldn't do my full time job and full time educate my kids. One of them would have to suffer so I might have to apply to myself for lower working hours.


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    #34
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/when-covid-subsided-israel-reopened-its-schools-it-didn-t-go-well-1.4321658

    They plan on completely overhauling their system, which is basically the same system Irish schools are attempting, because their cases skyrocketed when they reopened. Let me know if it's behind a paywall and anyone needs the text copied here.


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    #35
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    abacus120 wrote: »
    Apologies all students will be back on the 4th of september

    What was the original date they were meant to be back?


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    #36
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    abacus120 wrote: »
    Apologies all students will be back on the 4th of september

    We're back the 1st of September, haven't heard any specifics regarding the new arrangements but only 4 weeks to go so hopefully soon.


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    #37
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,002 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    HerrKuehn wrote: »
    Take a look at the DES guidelines for reopening, they cover wasps flying into the classroom. It was one of the first things agreed on.

    This made me laugh way more than it should have had.


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    #38
    abacus120
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭abacus120


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    What was the original date they were meant to be back?

    The 24th of august


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    #39
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    abacus120 wrote: »
    The 24th of august

    Any mention if they are going to make up the days?


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    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    niallo27 wrote: »
    This made me laugh way more than it should have had.

    I heard they designed a poster with pictures and all to show what to do in the event of a wasp/class infringement :pac::pac:

    It's not yet known if wasp spray and fly swatters will be covered under the spending budget.


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    #41
    abacus120
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭abacus120


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Any mention if they are going to make up the days?

    No nothing in the email bar the starting datses for each year
    I wouldnt expect they will be making up any time,how would they?


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    #42
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    abacus120 wrote: »
    No nothing in the email bar the starting datses for each year
    I wouldnt expect they will be making up any time,how would they?

    They can shorten the easter holidays by 3 days in the first week if they need too.


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    #43
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    niallo27 wrote: »
    This made me laugh way more than it should have had.

    You do realise what happens when a wasp flies into a room with 30 children?


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    #44
    the corpo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Said this on the main thread but prob more relevant here.

    Heard Mike Ryan of the WHO on RTE this morning stating that children aged 10+ are as significant a risk of spreading as adults. I may have missed it but I don't think I've heard the WHO agree with this position before. He also sounded pretty concerned about long term health effects on children that hadn't seemingly gotten sick, mentioned hearts.

    So, again, very concerned the Department aren't paying attention to current science and basing their decisions on all the older evidence, and our schools will be at risk from the slow position shifting of the WHO and NPHET.


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    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the corpo wrote: »

    So, again, very concerned the Department aren't paying attention to current science and basing their decisions on all the older evidence, and our schools will be at risk from the slow position shifting of the WHO and NPHET.

    Are you saying they shouldn't be reopening schools at all in light of current science?


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    #46
    HerrKuehn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    the corpo wrote: »
    Said this on the main thread but prob more relevant here.

    Heard Mike Ryan of the WHO on RTE this morning stating that children aged 10+ are as significant a risk of spreading as adults. I may have missed it but I don't think I've heard the WHO agree with this position before. He also sounded pretty concerned about long term health effects on children that hadn't seemingly gotten sick, mentioned hearts.

    So, again, very concerned the Department aren't paying attention to current science and basing their decisions on all the older evidence, and our schools will be at risk from the slow position shifting of the WHO and NPHET.

    if only the WHO and NPHET had a school teacher or an electrician to interpret the science for them.


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    #47
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/world/middleeast/coronavirus-israel-schools-reopen.html

    Experience in Israel where one school was a focus of a large cluster

    "The lesson, experts say, is that even communities that have gotten the spread of the virus under control need to take strict precautions when reopening schools. Smaller classes, mask wearing, keeping desks six feet apart and providing adequate ventilation, they say, are likely to be crucial until a vaccine is available."


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    #48
    the corpo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Are you saying they shouldn't be reopening schools at all in light of current science?

    I think a full re-opening with full attendance is madness, with our class sizes and poor infrastructure. Virtually nowhere else has attempted this, re-openings were staggered, smaller class sizes, better social distancing requirements, better buildings etc.

    My kids primary school is in an old secondary convent school. The only ventilation option is to wedge open old sash windows. When the rain is coming in the windows sideways during the winter the class will have to close, or else give the kids wetsuits and armbands.

    Should have started small and ramped it up as the schools learn to cope with the measures. Give the schools a proper chance to sort accommodation problems and hire staff, when they can see in practice what they'll need to make the situation sustainable.

    I think we're massively running the risk of a full reopening leading to a full shutdown very quickly after. And I don't blame the teachers/unions etc for this, it's embarrassing as a nation that we're facing such a difficult task to reopen, but it lies squarely at the consistent failure of previous Governments to invest in our children...


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    #49
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    the corpo wrote: »
    I think a full re-opening with full attendance is madness, with our class sizes and poor infrastructure. Virtually nowhere else has attempted this, re-openings were staggered, smaller class sizes, better social distancing requirements, better buildings etc.

    My kids primary school is in an old secondary convent school. The only ventilation option is to wedge open old sash windows. When the rain is coming in the windows sideways during the winter the class will have to close, or else give the kids wetsuits and armbands.

    Should have started small and ramped it up as the schools learn to cope with the measures. Give the schools a proper chance to sort accommodation problems and hire staff, when they can see in practice what they'll need to make the situation sustainable.

    I think we're massively running the risk of a full reopening leading to a full shutdown very quickly after. And I don't blame the teachers/unions etc for this, it's embarrassing as a nation that we're facing such a difficult task to reopen, but it lies squarely at the consistent failure of previous Governments to invest in our children...

    If you are unhappy about sending your children back to school, then don't.
    I am at work for a number of weeks and we have had no problems.
    Covid deaths are at practically zero countrywide.
    Total deaths are now running at lower levels than this time last year.

    We need to get on with things. I don't think sending the children back to school is a major risk. Of course it is a small risk but so is crossing the road.


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    #50
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the corpo wrote: »
    I think a full re-opening with full attendance is madness, with our class sizes and poor infrastructure. Virtually nowhere else has attempted this, re-openings were staggered, smaller class sizes, better social distancing requirements, better buildings etc.

    Is it even possible for most Irish schools to do this, given the infrastructure constraints?


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    #51
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Is it even possible for most Irish schools to do this, given the infrastructure constraints?

    The can use additional spaces for instance the local community hall or a marquee


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    #52
    Boggles
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    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    The can use additional spaces for instance the local community hall or a marquee

    You mean that shít "tent" you linked to?

    No, no they can't.


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    #53
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Boggles wrote: »
    You mean that shít "tent" you linked to?

    No, no they can't.
    Why not?
    It wont matter to you, you'll be at home homeschooling the child.


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    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,521 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Why not?

    Because you can't stick people in shít tents and pretend they are class rooms.

    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    It wont matter to you, you'll be at home homeschooling the child.

    Really?

    News to me.


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    #55
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Boggles wrote: »
    Because you can't stick people in shít tents and pretend they are class rooms.




    Really?

    News to me.

    So what do we do? We all stay at home crying?

    It was the other lad that plans on homeschooling, apologies


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    #56
    Conelan
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Conelan


    There seems to be a divide appearing in the thread between those who just want the children out of the house and those who have some concern for the education they might get in the coming months. A marquee FFS!!


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    #57
    the corpo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    If you are unhappy about sending your children back to school, then don't.

    If I don't think it's reasonably safe, of course I won't. Risk is acceptable, but a dangerous amount of risk isn't.


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    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    Conelan wrote: »
    There seems to be a divide appearing in the thread between those who just want the children out of the house and those who have some concern for the education they might get in the coming months. A marquee FFS!!

    Then there the ones that have no interest or perhaps arent capable of adding to the conversation who can see 35 children in the room but no solutions.

    Nothing can be done
    Nothing is possible
    We cant
    We wouldn't be able


    No solutions.


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    #59
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Conelan wrote: »
    There seems to be a divide appearing in the thread between those who just want the children out of the house and those who have some concern for the education they might get in the coming months. A marquee FFS!!

    Marquees are great for social distancing, half the class inside and half outside holding that thing together.


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    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    The can use additional spaces for instance the local community hall or a marquee

    Where will the staff come from ?


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    HerrKuehn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Where will the staff come from ?

    Don't forget that community hall could have an even worse wasp problem!


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