Looking for documentaries like Forks Over Knives.

Great. It was a very well done film.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Short documentary about people who go out to try and rescue animals after natural disasters:

https://vimeo.com/319977833

Interesting video. I think that may be the same one which Tilikum put up last month?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057961074/1/#post109573430

TheFortField wrote: »

The Game Changers movie website contains some very useful information for people interested in going plant based.

https://gamechangersmovie.com/food/making-it-easy/

Again there are issues to be aware of that this film is aimed at plant food advocacy and much of it is based on misinformation

Good review here:

https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a29067926/the-game-changers-movie-fact-check/

auspicious wrote: »

Although the MH article doesn’t provide any references, it does quote two sources, including “Mike Roussell, Ph.D., author of The MetaShred Diet”. Ironically, but perhaps not surprisingly, Roussell is a paid spokesperson for the beef industry (11). I assume the author of the article was not aware of this connection.
https://medium.com/@drjamesloomis/my-beef-with-the-mens-health-review-of-the-game-changers-65826d389859
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ7DZ7Nt1go&t=14s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RGhu4hlt8&t=142s

Dr Loomis whom you quoted directly (you forgot the quotation mark's btw) interestingly was not only a cast member of the film 'The Game Changers' - which he is backing in that article, but he has also backed other controversial plant food advocacy films such as Forks over Knives. His own references include a number of highly questionable / outdated sources which don't stand up to the claims made.

With regards vested industry interests - this is very relevant

The films executive producers include Jackie Chan, Louie Psihoyos, and James Cameron and his wife Suzy Amis Cameron. James Cameron is an Academy Award winning filmmaker known for movies like The Titanic and Avatar.

What most people don’t know about this Oscar-winning producer and his wife, however, is that they’re also the founders of Verdiant Foods, an organic pea protein company.

But this isn’t just some dinky plant-based protein start-up. As a press release from 2017 states; “Cameron has the goal to become the largest organic pea protein fractionation facility in North America”. He’s also partnered with Ingredion, one of the leading global ingredient suppliers, racking up an investment of $140 million.So he definitely has no skin in the game, right?

But the plant-based bias doesn’t end there. The film interviews several healthcare and fitness professionals for insights into their expertise — with the caveat that they’re all selling the vegan lifestyle.

https://perfectketo.com/game-changers-movie-fact-check/

You may note - that article is presented by yet another medical professional. Take of that what you will.

And therein lies the problem - that many of these films present a storyline which does not stand up to even the most basic of scrutinies. Dig deeper and behind this film, we find big investors and backers of the plant food industry.

auspicious wrote: »

"You may note - that article is presented by yet another medical professional. Take of that what you will."Dr. Anthony Gustin - Founder and CEO of Perfect Keto & Equip Foods, host of The Keto Answers Podcast https://www.equipfoods.com/collections/supplements

Indeed. And there you've missed the point. The medical professional you referenced in your previous comment has vested interests in these Hollywood type productions. In the US many medical professionals like Loomis make money from such promotions though consultancy to the rich and famous and other business interests as detailed above.

The rebuke you quoted written by Dr Loomis makes hay out of the fact that the MHs reviews 'quotes' some who allegedly has links to the beef industry. But the same Dr Loomis fails to mention that the making of the Film itself was backed by founders of Verdiant Foods, a plant food company with a financial interest in promoting plant food sales.

Again in favour of the MH review - at least they removed Dr Roussell (Ph.D) quote once they became aware of the issue. You must have missed that. See Editors note
https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a29067926/the-game-changers-movie-fact-check/

Tbh depending on Hollywood type productions for dietary guidance is at best extremly dodgy.

auspicious wrote: »

Missed the point no. Just pointing out those naysayers of The Game Changers are meat advocates i.e. biased.The movie is based on scientific facts - objective peer reviewed science.
Of course since it's espousing a plant-based diet it's sponsored by a plant-based company. You wouldn't find a movie espousing atheism sponsored by the Catholic Church.

But you do miss the point. The review of the Film by Mens Health included a single 'quote ' from someone who (allegedly) works in the beef industry. That does not make MH 'meat advocates' btw. To back that up - they acknowledged the criticism and removed the quote. Check the editors note for yourself! The article even points out that MH supports veganism and publishers pro vegan lifestyle articles!

But to put it plainly - one of the main issues is simply that- the movie is a movie - produced by Holywood actors / directors and backed by wealthy commercial plant food investment interests ie a biased film. It is also evident that much of the 'science' is not presented in a balanced way and uses a bunch of Observational studies touting small effects which are known to cause a high risk of error and selection bias.

Interesting though that you think it ok for the vested commercial interests in the plant food industy to create and push this film - yet call those who used a single quote (which was removed btw) 'naysayers'and 'meat advocates' and dont see the inherent bias! Odd that no?

jh79 wrote: »

The movie is an interpretation of scientific evidence, it is not presenting "scientific facts".

The movie producers havn't produced any new evidence and there hasn't been any new evidence published that shows wholly plant based diet us better than a balanced diet with neat and dairy.

Just some promotional video to help James Cameron's new business venture

I accept the word evidence is more satisfactory than facts.

I wouldn't know. I've never seen forks over knives.
I was contesting the fact that the 'good review' from Men's Health offered by gozunda was biased. The article is by Paul Kita whom has two meat based books published. MH has since backtracked on a couple of issues so it's a non-starter.

I worded it quite fine thank-you.
As ever you're typically disingenuous.
No need for you to have the last word. I'm out.

Something in the back of my mind told me to reread.
So I worded that part incorrectly and you were not disingenuous, on this occasion.
Fair enough.

TheFortField wrote: »

I’m just wondering if any of the regulars here watched or listened to Joe Rogan’s “Game Changers” debate and if you did... what did you think of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0zgNY_kqlI

I am not a fan of Chris Kresser, I’ve listened to some of his previous contributions to the Joe Rogan podcast and wasn’t impressed. However, I ended up feeling sorry for him. James Wilks destroyed him during the (very one-sided debate) and Rogan who has been very critical of vegan diets abandoned Kresser and joined Team Wilks.

I can understand that James Wilks is very proud of his documentary and he has the right to defend its content but I felt he was overly aggressive and rude. In the end I felt Kresser was bullied and humiliated. I found the programme somewhat disturbing. I am very passionate about about the whole food plant based diet (it has completely transformed my life for the better) but I feel James will turn people off.

I would love if Joe Rogan invited Dr Greger on the show, unlike Wilks and Kressler he is actually qualified to speak about nutrition.

Do you not see the glaring issue with this debate, he continually side stepped his issue with meat and never answered the question.

Kresser definitely cocked up but Wilks simply aggressively talking him down with the Forest Plots statement even when he was making valid points.