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M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works pending; 2024 start]

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  • #812
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭Limerick74


    www.Courts.ie states the case is adjourned until 11/02/2020


  • #813
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    More delays :rolleyes:

    The M28 will never be built in my lifetime and im in my Thirties.

    Please dont vote for Buttimer in Cork South Central!


  • #814
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Hibernicis wrote: »
    I disagree strongly. I think we are entitled to know who is backing this. It is having a substantial impact on a lot of people's lives and so is a matter of public interest. Those who are impacted should know who they are up against. It was certainly never the intention of the planning/judicial system that key players could hide behind a public front. That would appear to be exactly what is happening in this case.
    Silent participation is an important right in a republican democracy, in some cases it may be the only way to participate if your views are not widely shared. For example, if you are a conservative/Republican in the United States and you work in Silicon Valley, you definitely want to hide that and may choose to keep silent and maybe donate money to conservative organisations instead. Likewise if you were LGBT in Ireland during the mid-20th century, you might have chosen to donate to organisations looking to broaden society's perspective while not letting it be known that you were taking such action or that you felt you had cause to do so.

    A far better remedy would be for the courts to start awarding costs against objectors in these types of cases. We would need judges to prove that objectors can cover both their costs and the costs of the State/TII/CCs and then award them full costs in cases of spurious litigation, with all guarantees called in, fully enforced by the Sheriff if needs be. Keep doing it until spurious litigators get the message.


  • #815
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    www.Courts.ie states the case is adjourned until 11/02/2020
    http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/ wasn’t available when I checked last night. It is now showing the following:

    Date 23/01/2020
    List ADV MR JUSTICE MAC GRATH
    Position 18
    Result Adjourned - no details available
    Note costs

    Date 12/03/2020
    List ADV MR JUSTICE MAC GRATH
    Position 0
    Result XX
    Note


  • #816
    danny004
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭danny004


    Hibernicis wrote: »
    http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/ wasn’t available when I checked last night. It is now showing the following:

    Date 23/01/2020
    List ADV MR JUSTICE MAC GRATH
    Position 18
    Result Adjourned - no details available
    Note costs

    Date 12/03/2020
    List ADV MR JUSTICE MAC GRATH
    Position 0
    Result XX
    Note

    Disastrous ,the months just ebb away ,although I dont expect it will make much difference this time of year with it being election season.
    Im wondering is the judge now considering their application for an appeal


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  • #817
    LLewellen Farquarson
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LLewellen Farquarson


    Every time I open this thread, it opens on the first page

    Which is dated 3/1/2005

    With the line.
    This one is the proposed N28 cork to ringaskiddy project. This imo needs to be done asap for the sake of industry and carrigaline.

    15 years later!!!!!!!! Here we are.

    I'm beginning to believe Mikeym is right above.


  • #818
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Strictly speaking i know this is way off topic, Mods i hope you will excuse me on this one occasion as it involves Jerry Buttimer and we know his position on the M28 in general.

    https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/1220724006145482752?s=20


  • #819
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Is the lack of an M28 the reason for losing this ferry to Rosslare

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Major-Cork-ferry-route-cancelled-4055dc59-d23f-404a-bc04-3cc3ab6f0f0b-ds


  • #820
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    Is the lack of an M28 the reason for losing this ferry to Rosslare

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Major-Cork-ferry-route-cancelled-4055dc59-d23f-404a-bc04-3cc3ab6f0f0b-ds

    No, it is not the reason.


  • #821
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Ludo wrote: »
    No, it is not the reason.

    It didn’t help matters


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  • #822
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    It didn’t help matters

    Wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference IMHO. There is a lot more to this than 10 miles of a motorway...or lack thereof.


  • #823
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭kub


    Meanwhile as and from today, Rosslare is 30 mins closer to Cork thanks to a new bridge on the N25.

    While the main road to the main commercial port in the 2nd largest harbour in the world is still serviced by a main road which in parts is not as wide as some of the opposers driveways

    If only we had political clout like they have in the south east of the country.


  • #824
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Ludo wrote: »
    Wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference IMHO. There is a lot more to this than 10 miles of a motorway...or lack thereof.

    Absolutely. The M28 had no impact on this decision

    Brittany Ferries said when they launched the service in 2018 it was for a trial 2 year window and now upon review the freight volumes using the service aren’t sufficient enough to make it viable


  • #825
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭kub


    marno21 wrote: »
    Absolutely. The M28 had no impact on this decision

    Brittany Ferries said when they launched the service in 2018 it was for a trial 2 year window and now upon review the freight volumes using the service aren’t sufficient enough to make it viable

    I wonder, as truckers are only too familiar with the state of the roads in this country and traffic issues.
    Have many decided it was easier to take a ferry to France from Dublin rather than having to face the backlog approaching Dunkettle from the M8 side.
    Then the traffic on the N40, when we have our usual fender benders which result in ridiculous delays and then having to travel down a rural borreen which is backed up with traffic quite a lot
    The motorway network in France must seem a lot more appealing.


  • #826
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    kub wrote: »
    I wonder, as truckers are only too familiar with the state of the roads in this country and traffic issues.
    Have many decided it was easier to take a ferry to France from Dublin rather than having to face the backlog approaching Dunkettle from the M8 side.
    Then the traffic on the N40, when we have our usual fender benders which result in ridiculous delays and then having to travel down a rural borreen which is backed up with traffic quite a lot
    The motorway network in France must seem a lot more appealing.

    No I don't think so, purely because I can't imagine people preferring Dublin based on traffic elsewhere on the island. However bad the congestion gets in Cork - and it does get very bad - it gets worse in Dublin.


  • #827
    ianobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    I've been on the ferry to France out of Dublin, Rosslare and Cork and have spoken to plenty truckers. The truckers much prefer Rosslare because it's easy to predict the travel time to the port. Most hate the M50 as you can't reliably predict the travel times and the tunnel/South Ring rd/Carr's Hill can be unpredictable for travel times as well. Also, quite a lot of the distribution centres are based around Dublin/Kildare. That's only about a reliable 2 hours from Rosslare where Ringaskiddy is 4 to 5 hours.


  • #828
    ianobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    Also, the port in Santander is right in the middle of town whereas the port in Bilbao is outside of town and there's an motorway/dual carriageway right to the port entrance


  • #829
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭kub


    ianobrien wrote: »
    Also, the port in Santander is right in the middle of town whereas the port in Bilbao is outside of town and there's an motorway/dual carriageway right to the port entrance


    Imagine that, a motorway directly to a port entrance, i wish we could have that in Ringaskiddy. :(


  • #830
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    From the Irish Examiner article:
    The ferry company said hauliers have told them that Rosslare, given its proximity to Dublin and the east coast road network, is a preferred option.

    Hauliers operating on the European mainland have also said that Bilbao is more attuned to freight traffic and has easier transport links into Europe.

    Based on that, it seems the roads to the ports are of crucial importance to the hauliers.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-loses-out-as-ferry-firm-moves-spain-route-to-rosslare-978456.html


  • #831
    Ludo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Proximity to Dublin would be a bigger factor. No doubt the road would help, but I don't think it would have been a deciding factor by any means.
    Any way you cut it, Rosslare is closer to Dublin. If Dublin port had the capacity the ferry would probably go directly there.


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  • #832
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The New Ross bypass is a massive gain for Rosslare, but the Wexford bypass, the N24/N25, the N11 north of Wicklow Town are all bottlenecks on the 2 routes into Rosslare.

    It's important to remember that the roads leading to the N28 from all areas except Dublin are pants too. Only the M8 qualifies as acceptable and the M8 leads directly to another port with UK and European sailings.

    If the Port of Cork was accessible from places that don't have their own ports it might become more popular. I have no doubt that an M20 would do more for Port of Cork sailings than an M28.


  • #833
    annfield1978
    Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    danny004 wrote: »
    Disastrous ,the months just ebb away ,although I dont expect it will make much difference this time of year with it being election season.
    Im wondering is the judge now considering their application for an appeal

    What is the reference codes for this case to find in on the courts website, not able to find it based on the info above

    Who is the plaintiff/ defendant?


  • #834
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    annfield1978 wrote: »
    What is the reference codes for this case to find in on the courts website, not able to find it based on the info above

    Who is the plaintiff/ defendant?

    I documented the search steps here:

    Current status is that it was adjourned on 23/01/2020 and is listed for 12/03/2020


  • #835
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Not related to the M28 as such, but it does involve Jerry Buttimer who is backing the Steering Group.

    https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1226093551458684929?s=20


  • #836
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    No evidence it's related, but interesting nonetheless.


  • #837
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    spacetweek wrote: »
    No evidence it's related, but interesting nonetheless.

    Correct.


  • #838
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    Not related to the M28 as such, but it does involve Jerry Buttimer who is backing the Steering Group.

    https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1226093551458684929?s=20

    Thanks for posting that. Despicable behaviour. He was off my list because of his support for the Steering Group but having seen that I’ll give him a preference, albeit a low one.


  • #839
    Jim Gazebo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Jim Gazebo


    Hibernicis wrote: »
    Thanks for posting that. Despicable behaviour. He was off my list because of his support for the Steering Group but having seen that I’ll give him a preference, albeit a low one.

    So because someone threw something through his window he's now a better candidate? Get off the stage


  • #840
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Nothing about it on the steering group page, I’d have expected them to stand up for their man to say the least


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  • #841
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Buttimer polling 6%. Justice.


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