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Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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  • #662
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    I don’t do tweets so plead ignorance. Has Niamh retweeted explaining her plane of thought?

    She gave a defence of the article on the Tonight Show along the lines that Bailey has been bullied for six months and that she is a mother of two children so thats not on, blah, blah, blah. Ivan Yates basically laughed at Horan and said politics is a rough game and if you cant stand the heat in the kitchen then get out. Horan is clearly sucking up to Maria in the hope of getting an 'exclusive interview' with her where we hear how unfairly poor Maria was treated. Expect the mental health excuse to get trotted out when this happens.
    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Tbf mother Madigan was on the show to talk about priests etc, and he didn't let Josepha just slither away at the end like I think she would like to have done, he actually asked for her to remain where she was so as he could ask her about two other very important questions he had.

    Verona Murphy

    Maria Bailey.


    Madigan didn't sound very comfortable answering either tbh.

    What did Mother Madigan say about priests? I know Mary McAlesse seems to be in a race to be Irelands first ever female priest but the good Mother has already beaten her to it by saying mass in Mount Merrion church when the parish priest didnt bother show up, he was probably sick of listening to aul ones moaning about their bunions. The poor parishioners/voters were very disappointed so Mother Madigan led them into salvation and said mass for them. I heard she gives a good mass, she really knows how to work the alter. And her confessions shall remain sacrosanct, unless of course Bailey leaks them :pac:


  • #663
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    ...


    What did Mother Madigan say about priests? I know Mary McAlesse seems to be in a race to be Irelands first ever female priest but the good Mother has already beaten her to it by saying mass in Mount Merrion church when the parish priest didnt bother show up, he was probably sick of listening to aul ones moaning about their bunions. The poor parishioners/voters were very disappointed so Mother Madigan led them into salvation and said mass for them. I heard she gives a good mass, she really knows how to work the alter. And her confessions shall remain sacrosanct, unless of course Bailey leaks them :pac:

    Hold your whist....
    Catherine Byrne
    Byrne was appointed Minister of State for Communities and the National Drugs Strategy. Upon Leo Varadkar's appointment as Taoiseach, she was appointed also, as Minister of State for Health Promotion in June 2017....

    Byrne was leader of St. Michael's Folk/Gospel Group for 15 years and has completed a two-year Lay Ministry Course in All Hallows College, and also holds a Diploma in Catering.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Byrne_(Irish_politician)

    ;)


  • #664
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    A letter that triggers alarm bells for Fine Gael

    Had been reading a few articles via twitter and how the decision to delete Bailey came about, and how it contrasts with the VM saga.

    Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

    Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

    But VM is apparently polling strongly, and so - and despite the likes of Charlie Flanagan disassociating himself from her, she's being kept on with full support of Leo.

    If I am reading between the lines here, you can make statements about immigrants, even if they're viewed as derogatory by some members of the public - stay where you are so long as you'll gain a seat for the party.

    Lodge an extremely questionable claim, and try and get a handy few bob from a local business, and later lie about stuff both on the national airwaves, and to your party leader, and have a report launched as to your conduct, that concludes that you overstated injuries, and made statements that couldn't be reconciled they'll also stick by you too**



    **Until polling data indicates you might do badly in an election, then the long knives appear you're dropped like a hot spud, and barrows full of money will be found to make sure you can't successfully run against them in an election.


    Party first and foremost, morals and conduct second.


  • #665
    Marcos
    Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Marcos


    Will Josepha's firm represent her if she actually takes legal action? :p

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • #666
    tigger123
    Registered Users Posts: 4,429 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    A letter that triggers alarm bells for Fine Gael

    Had been reading a few articles via twitter and how the decision to delete Bailey came about, and how it contrasts with the VM saga.

    Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

    Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

    But VM is apparently polling strongly, and so - and despite the likes of Charlie Flanagan disassociating himself from her, she's being kept on with full support of Leo.

    If I am reading between the lines here, you can make statements about immigrants, even if they're viewed as derogatory by some members of the public - stay where you are so long as you'll gain a seat for the party.

    Lodge an extremely questionable claim, and try and get a handy few bob from a local business, and later lie about stuff both on the national airwaves, and to your party leader, and have a report launched as to your conduct, that concludes that you overstated injuries, and made statements that couldn't be reconciled they'll also stick by you too**



    **Until polling data indicates you might do badly in an election, then the long knives appear you're dropped like a hot spud, and barrows full of money will be found to make sure you can't successfully run against them in an election.


    Party first and foremost, morals and conduct second.

    Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?


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  • #667
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

    Or they could do the right thing and withdraw their support for her immediately on the basis that her views are not acceptable. Just like they should have done with Maria Baile and Alan Farrell, but for Fine Gael it's not about decency or ethics or anything else other than the best interests of the Fine Gael party.

    For decency and ethics vote ABFG.


  • #668
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Or they could do the right thing and withdraw their support for her immediately on the basis that her views are not acceptable. Just like they should have done with Maria Baile and Alan Farrell, but for Fine Gael it's not about decency or ethics or anything else other than the best interests of the Fine Gael party.

    For decency and ethics vote ABFG.
    Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
    When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?


  • #669
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,368 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?

    The way things are going with machete attacks on 13 year old girls she’d probably increase her vote if she reiterated her comments from 10 years ago.


  • #670
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
    When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?

    Seeing as you asked, the justice minister for one.


  • #671
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Seeing as you asked, the justice minister for one.

    The justice minister is entitled to his opinion same as everyone else. No more valid then yours or mine though.
    I have no idea why you think he is the “standard”?


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  • #672
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The justice minister is entitled to his opinion same as everyone else. No more valid then yours or mine though.
    I have no idea why you think he is the “standard”?

    Obviously he's entitled to his opinion, I never suggested otherwise.

    I don't think he's the standard, but (in case you need reminded) you asked the following:
    Her views are not acceptable to whom?

    I clearly stated one example was Charlie Flanagan.

    Why Charlie?
    • Justice minister
    • Also her director of election.
    • Possible party colleague.

    Apparently Leo (the leader of the party she's standing for) didn't think it acceptable either, hence her being "reprogrammed".

    Apparently other ministers have distanced themselves from the comments too.

    You asked. :cool:


  • #673
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »

    Apparently secret internal polling has had a direct impact on both of their predicaments.

    Leo himself admitted it was down to the secret polling that prompted him to ultimately axe Bailey - she is now most likely going to pursue this legally.

    Isnt that just Leo all over, leadership is not about doing the right thing for him, its about commissioning polling and then being led by that when he finds out what way the wind is blowing. He was the same with gay marriage, he didnt get behind it until he saw that the polls had an unassailable lead for a Yes vote. Had the polls been saying the No side was likely to win then Leo would have campaigned for a No vote, thats how fickle he is. He is basically a shepherd led by his sheep.


  • #674
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Her views are not acceptable to whom? You?
    When did you get to decide what’s decent and ethical?

    The most important, the public. We all decide. Politicians are judged and vetted by the public. We tell them how it is. Fine Gael have a habit of putting themselves above the people they work for.


  • #675
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Going back to their roots? :)
    Maria Bailey Reinstated After Calling Migrants Scum
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    https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/11/21/maria-bailey-reinstated-after-calling-migrants-scum/


    Disclaimer: this is a headline from a satirical paper :rolleyes:


  • #676
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Isnt that just Leo all over, leadership is not about doing the right thing for him, its about commissioning polling and then being led by that when he finds out what way the wind is blowing. He was the same with gay marriage, he didnt get behind it until he saw that the polls had an unassailable lead for a Yes vote. Had the polls been saying the No side was likely to win then Leo would have campaigned for a No vote, thats how fickle he is. He is basically a shepherd led by his sheep.

    The worse part is that he's so stupid to admit it. Brings every other decision he's making into question.


  • #677
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,720 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    I'm not sure why there is such vitriol for Leo and FG

    What about tax dodger Mick Wallace - I actually thought he was quite effective in the Dail - he was the first person to mention the garda whisleblower

    What about Michael Lowry? He's a criminal and still he's allowed to stand for government and is elected - outrageous stuff

    FF had a few historic ones as well like Willie O'Dea, Charles Haughey, Bertie "I don't have a bank account" Ahern the Finance Minister, Liam Lawlor and Ray Burke.

    We shouldn't vote for these criminals - if you don't agree with what a TD, or a perspective TD says, don't vote for them.

    And if they are criminal, they shouldn't be allowed to even stand - Maria Bailey lied on court documents, she should go.
    Willie O'Dea lied on court documents, he should go.
    Lorraine Clifford Lee said something on twitter 8 years ago before she joined the Seanad, I actually agree with what she said, but as soon as it came out she apologise and kept apologising.
    Verona Murphy said something 3 times which was racist - if you don't want this type of person in politics don't vote for them.


  • #678
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    It wasnt me123 wrote: »
    I'm not sure why there is such vitriol for Leo and FG

    What about tax dodger Mick Wallace - I actually thought he was quite effective in the Dail - he was the first person to mention the garda whisleblower

    What about Michael Lowry? He's a criminal and still he's allowed to stand for government and is elected - outrageous stuff

    FF had a few historic ones as well like Willie O'Dea, Charles Haughey, Bertie "I don't have a bank account" Ahern the Finance Minister, Liam Lawlor and Ray Burke.

    We shouldn't vote for these criminals - if you don't agree with what a TD, or a perspective TD says, don't vote for them.

    And if they are criminal, they shouldn't be allowed to even stand - Maria Bailey lied on court documents, she should go.
    Willie O'Dea lied on court documents, he should go.
    Lorraine Clifford Lee said something on twitter 8 years ago before she joined the Seanad, I actually agree with what she said, but as soon as it came out she apologise and kept apologising.
    Verona Murphy said something 3 times which was racist - if you don't want this type of person in politics don't vote for them.

    I'll field this one if I may.

    Leo is the political leader of the country.

    The Fine Gael party, (the law and order party) have their membership found wanting when it comes to doing as they say. Bailey, Murphy, previously McElvaney, Conlon, Lowry are an insight to their member. We want to know the caliber of people we are electing. They are found to be misrepresenting themselves. This is not uncommon, but they are in government so rightly garner more attention.

    Mick Wallace? FG's reputation doesn't stand or fall based on whataboutery. Again, Wallace isn't the political leader of the country.
    Fine Gael, the party, dodged a tax for 9 years straight ffs.
    Lowry is of Fine Gael and practically still is. Dinny still gets looked after by FG, why is that? I mean wouldn't it send a message if we stopped giving him sweet deals?

    People vote for who they vote for. Case in point FG are in government. What can you do?

    It's up to the parties and the public. FG only gave Bailey the elbow because the story wouldn't die. They'd have no qualms about keeping her ilk in government. Look at Verona Murphy.

    Back to the first point, generational crises worsening by the day while patting themselves on the back for how great they are.


  • #679
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,720 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    I can understand why people give out about the government - I just don't understand why its just them and not all the rotten apples.

    I'm not saying not to give out if you so want, but I'd want all the criminal feckers out - regardless of their party.

    We know some of them are criminal so why do we, as a public, keep voting for them - what is wrong with the voting public? If they are crooked, racist, liars etc, don't vote for them.

    Sometimes I think we deserve every ****ty thing we get - we do the same thing and expect a different outcome


  • #680
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    It wasnt me123 wrote: »
    I can understand why people give out about the government - I just don't understand why its just them and not all the rotten apples.

    I'm not saying not to give out if you so want, but I'd want all the criminal feckers out - regardless of their party.

    We know some of them are criminal so why do we, as a public, keep voting for them - what is wrong with the voting public? If they are crooked, racist, liars etc, don't vote for them.

    Sometimes I think we deserve every ****ty thing we get - we do the same thing and expect a different outcome

    Because Leo and Fine Gael make the policies that effect our lives.

    Up to the electorate. They can be a disappointing bunch.

    It's self interest and/or political dynasty. Bailey has nothing to offer except her family name IMO, for what that's worth.

    True dat. Expect FF on the top bunk after the next election.


  • #681
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.


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  • #682
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.

    He has been a massive disappointment. After years if ineptness from Enda, it wasn't difficult to impress.


  • #683
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    He has been a massive disappointment. After years if ineptness from Enda, it wasn't difficult to impress.

    At least Kenny was funny.


  • #684
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Wasn't it too late to deselect Verona? So, FG doesn't really have any option but to make her apologise and back her?
    What she said came out of the blue and a lot of it is inspired by events around own ISIS bride, soon to return. A week and a bit out from an election they have to back her. Not clear if she has much hope and even if she does get in they can always revisit selection. With Deasy going they need another pugnacious straight talker!


  • #685
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What she said came out of the blue and a lot of it is inspired by events around own ISIS bride, soon to return. A week and a bit out from an election they have to back her. Not clear if she has much hope and even if she does get in they can always revisit selection. With Deasy going they need another pugnacious straight talker!

    Hardly straight talk if a grimace from Leo has her retracting and fudging.


  • #686
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Hardly straight talk if a grimace from Leo has her retracting and fudging.
    TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.


  • #687
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    is_that_so wrote: »
    TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.

    It's numbers. My local FG TD has zero experience outside of some catering and running a choir. She was known in the community, that's all. She's burnt that bridge I reckon. Basically the idea FG stand for anything outside of getting into office is coming to the fore.


  • #688
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It's numbers. My local FG TD has zero experience outside of some catering and running a choir. She was known in the community, that's all. She's burnt that bridge I reckon. Basically the idea FG stand for anything outside of getting into office is coming to the fore.

    gender quotas are giving women politicians a bad name. There are areas where the best candidates are not able to run due to the quota.Its sexism of a different type.


  • #689
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    is_that_so wrote: »
    TBH no idea where they found her. Doesn't seem to be much of a candidate.

    Not much of a party so a good fit really.


  • #690
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Not much of a party so a good fit really.
    I'm sure most parties would be happy to be "not much of party" if they were the main party in government. :P


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  • #691
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Leo is a proven spoofer, devoid of principle, decisiveness and character. You can just see him waiting for some sweet EU or private sector position.

    He is very popular in the EU and the image he portrays abroad.

    We all know domestically what an absolute spoofer he is. The record speaks for itself.


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