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maynooth were very nice and flexible, worth a thought.

Hi.
Someone might be able to help me.

I want to do second level teaching.
I have always wanted to teach.
So I want to apply for a PME.

However my situation is complicated and if anyone could set me straight, I would be very grateful.

I have a pass undergraduate degree (Medicine) from years back.

I am currently finished second year in another undergraduate course that has pretty much all the modules covered for the two subjects I would like to teach (Maths and Physics).

If I was to not continue this course and apply for a PME course now, I would not have third year (but the modules I have done up to now should be the equivalent of the 10% component of third year modules that you need).

I know the requirements of the teaching council are:
1. Undergraduate degree and
2. Sufficient relevant modules for subjects you want to teach.

My questions are:

Can you combine an undergraduate degree in Medicine with sufficient two years worth of modules from the undergraduate course I am doing now to satisfy teaching council requirements.

The undergraduate degree:
Does the undergraduate degree have to be a 2:1 or will a pass suffice (my undergraduate degree is a pass). I would find it hard to accept that this would bar me from teaching but I want to make sure. Incidentally I have Masters in a science subject as well and if that changes anything.

The modules:
If modules from 2 years of my current course cover the teaching council requirements (from looking at their website), will this be ok to teach these subjects if I combine this with the undergraduate degree above.

Are there significant differences between the various PMEs.
I am looking at Trinity, Hibernia and UL.
Are there any you would not recommend at all.

I notice Hibernia is not listed as one of the PME courses on the teaching council website.
Is Hibernia not as recognised as the other PME courses. Is it mostly online and if so is this an issue.

Apologies for all the questions.
I'm mainly interested in settling the first question (combining separate undergrad degree with relevant modules from current unfinished course).

Appreciate any help.

jrmb wrote: »

Hibernia is no less accredited than any other PME provider. It could be a mistake, or you could be researching registration in a subject which Hibernia doesn't have.



For my subjects, it's necessary to have 60 relevant ECTS credits, including at least 15 from third year or higher. That seems to be the general rule.

You should be able to count the ECTS credits at master's level, if they're relevant and if the module title is prescriptive enough. If you did well in the master's, your class of primary degree shouldn't be a barrier.

On the teaching council website for maths for example, it says a small percentage (10% IIRC) of modules from third year or modules equivalent to this.

The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.

jrmb wrote: »

I've never seen that before. Is it 10% of modules or 10% of credits? Do you mean 10 credits?

Credits sorry

take everything wrote: »

The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.

They seem to mean that it has to be studied at the more advanced end of your undergraduate studies (i.e. not first or second year). If you don't have the 10 ECTS credits from your third year, but you have them from your master's, you should be able to count them.

Interestingly, the modules only need to have been passed, even if that was by compensation. This means that a pass degree doesn't disqualify you, unless it's an entry requirement for a particular college.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

My two cents. If it were me, I would finish off that undergrad - it will save you a lot of hassle with the teaching council and explaining at interviews. As you have a degree already, I would try to register under section 3 for adult education - that would let you know what you can register for, if anything. You can get your qualifications assessed by the Teaching Council for a fee. Registering would also give you the opportunity to do some subbing to make sure that you really want to teach.

Masters don't count (or didn't) to the Teaching Council as it is a specific study whereas a degree is multidisciplinary.

Best of luck.

Tbh, I wouldn't be able to afford finishing the undergrad and then doing a PME on top of that.
That would be four years of fees which would be too much for me.

As you have a degree already, I would try to register under section 3 for adult education - that would let you know what you can register for, if anything. You can get your qualifications assessed by the Teaching Council for a fee. Registering would also give you the opportunity to do some subbing to make sure that you really want to teach.

Sorry for being thick but I don't know what you mean by this. Registering with the Teaching Council you mean?
Under section 3 for adult education. What is this.

The assessment of qualifications is what I need to do. Who do I need to talk to about this.

And how does registering allow you to sub.

Sorry for my confusion.

take everything wrote: »

Tbh, I wouldn't be able to afford finishing the undergrad and then doing a PME on top of that.
That would be four years of fees which would be too much for me.



Sorry for being thick but I don't know what you mean by this. Registering with the Teaching Council you mean?
Under section 3 for adult education. What is this.

The assessment of qualifications is what I need to do. Who do I need to talk to about this.

And how does registering allow you to sub.

Sorry for my confusion.

Yes that would be expensive alright.

There are three (maybe four) categories which you can register as a teacher, primary, post-primary and adult education.

Registering for adult education will allow you to get a Teaching Council number which you will need in order to paid from government funds.

Registering under adult education allows anyone with a degree to register. It was initially set up for tutors delivering courses in what were VECs (now ETB) where a teaching qualification was not required or could not be achieved e.g. plumbing etc.

Contact the Teaching Council re assessment of qualifications. It's €200 per subject and €100 for additional subjects. It can take a few months for this to be completed.

If you were registered, you could register as a sub on educationposts and drop CVs into schools in your area to let them know you are available for substitute work.

Hope that clears it up. Ask again if not sure about something.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Yes that would be expensive alright.

There are three (maybe four) categories which you can register as a teacher, primary, post-primary and adult education.

Registering for adult education will allow you to get a Teaching Council number which you will need in order to paid from government funds.

Registering under adult education allows anyone with a degree to register. It was initially set up for tutors delivering courses in what were VECs (now ETB) where a teaching qualification was not required or could not be achieved e.g. plumbing etc.

Contact the Teaching Council re assessment of qualifications. It's €200 per subject and €100 for additional subjects. It can take a few months for this to be completed.

If you were registered, you could register as a sub on educationposts and drop CVs into schools in your area to let them know you are available for substitute work.

Hope that clears it up. Ask again if not sure about something.

Thanks.
One more post before I go to bed.

The degree in Medicine. Surely this would count for something. Would it not obviate having to finish out the degree I'm currently doing. And I have pretty much all the modules needed from the current course to satisfy two subject requirements.

It would seem very harsh if that wasn't accepted.
Thanks again

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

There used to be a list of degrees and the subjects a person could register for but I haven’t seen it for a while.

The list was replaced shortly before I graduated. I'm slighty concerned that I might not be allowed to register, even though my undergraduate programme was on the list and didn't undergo any significant changes. My PME provider asked me to clarify specific details of each module, and the Teaching Council hasn't explicitly promised to let me register (or even commented on my enquiries).

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

It depends on their requirements and they are not for turning!! There used to be a list of degrees and the subjects a person could register for but I haven’t seen it for a while.

To answer your last question - they are very harsh and it may not be accepted. When I did my dip, there was a guy with an engineering degree and at the end of the dip - he couldn’t register as he didn’t have enough modules for any subject. I don’t know what happened to him, either took on the modules or moved to another sector.

How do you know you have the required modules completed to satisfy two subjects?

Ok thanks.
When I check the modules I have done so far against the teaching council website's list of modules needed, I have the 60 credits each for the two subjects (maths and physics).

The 240 credits requirement would be covered from the undergraduate degree separately.

take everything wrote: »

I am currently finished second year in another undergraduate course that has pretty much all the modules covered for the two subjects I would like to teach (Maths and Physics).

What do you mean here by "pretty much"? Would there some ambiguity?

Hello everyone,

I am from the US and just arrived in Ireland on a Working Holiday Visa (bad time, I know, but it was planned back in January). I just earned a Master of Arts in Teaching from my American university, and should be receiving a teaching license for my state (Virginia) some time in August. I'm trying to fill out the Teacher Registration form so that I can start looking for teaching jobs here, but there a lot of sections that confuse me and it's hard to find any clear answers online.

I don't want to post a huge list of questions here if this is the wrong place for it. Should I make a separate post? Is there anywhere I can look to find resources and answers? For example, does 'Title of Qualification' mean my Master's degree, or my teaching license?

newbie18892 wrote: »

Hi all. I did a MA in History last year (and a BA in History before that) and I really want to work in the museum/heritage sector but opportunities there seem quite dry lately. I've been thinking about doing a PME in secondary teaching but I wonder if that's possible without me having a second subject or even worth it i.e. are there too many History teachers? I did consider primary teaching years ago when I was in school but I've gone off that idea and feel more drawn to secondary.

History is oversubscribed I'm afraid. I would say it would be very rare to get a full timetable for history alone unless in a very big school.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

History is oversubscribed I'm afraid. I would say it would be very rare to get a full timetable for history alone unless in a very big school.

Thank you. I thought as much. I suppose there's no way of adding a second subject unless I do another BA which is quite unrealistic?