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17-06-2019, 19:36   #31
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Are you referring to the homophobic response or the objections of LGBT people to the inclusion of police in the parade?
Both to be honest. I love seeing inclusion and forward steps. Same time people will always rant.
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Anyone else noticed the Pride booklet (100+ pages) falls apart in your hands (ie each page detaches from the bind as you turn the pages)? I and a friend both noticed that when we picked up copies this weekend. Maybe it was just a faulty batch...
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Hope everyone had a great day today; more than a bit saddened that I couldn't make it but oh well.

Just, on the back of this issue, I'm quite interested in peoples attitudes towards the involvement of public bodies like the Gardai and sponsors big and small. I understand that this has been quite problematic for some, could anyone give me a cliff notes version (or even longer) of the reasons for such views?
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I'm quite interested in peoples attitudes towards the involvement of public bodies like the Gardai and sponsors big and small.
Just personally; I don't have a problem the Gardai or other public bodies being involved. I don't like that "us vs them" approach. They should be on 'our' side and their involvement is a positive step. We shouldn't be fighting our own, even if they are imperfect. Work with them to change for the better.

I do get annoyed by the amount of corporate involvement, though. Sponsoring is fine. Being involved is fine. But when the parade fills up AMAZON and GOOGLE and MICROSOFT open-top buses with music blaring and loud-speakers and everyone in pride t-shirts with the company logo front-and-centre, followed along by some of our actual gay community groups on foot without much fan-fair... then what exactly are they "sponsoring"? Their own spot in our parade? That's not sponsorship, that's buy-out.

And I have to assume there's nothing like a rule or regulation about using and abusing the Pride flag, because the amount of rubbish that's plastered with it for these few weeks is ridicules. Insurance with Pride. Vodka with Pride. Salted Peanuts with Pride. The **** does it even mean anymore after that.


But I try not to let it bother me too much.
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29-06-2019, 21:50   #36
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Just personally; I don't have a problem the Gardai or other public bodies being involved. I don't like that "us vs them" approach. They should be on 'our' side and their involvement is a positive step. We shouldn't be fighting our own, even if they are imperfect. Work with them to change for the better.

I do get annoyed by the amount of corporate involvement, though. Sponsoring is fine. Being involved is fine. But when the parade fills up AMAZON and GOOGLE and MICROSOFT open-top buses with music blaring and loud-speakers and everyone in pride t-shirts with the company logo front-and-centre, followed along by some of our actual gay community groups on foot without much fan-fair... then what exactly are they "sponsoring"? Their own spot in our parade? That's not sponsorship, that's buy-out.

And I have to assume there's nothing like a rule or regulation about using and abusing the Pride flag, because the amount of rubbish that's plastered with it for these few weeks is ridicules. Insurance with Pride. Vodka with Pride. Salted Peanuts with Pride. The **** does it even mean anymore after that.


But I try not to let it bother me too much.
Who’s fighting?

It’s up to all of us to change our thinking.
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Who’s fighting?
Arguing. That the Guards, etc, shouldn't be a part of the pride parade.

Some people are and I see their point but I don't really agree.
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Tell them there are way more lgbt gardai than you’d think and they deserve representation too. On top of that it’s brilliant to see an arm of the state step up and be progressive and inclusive and showing support.
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For a great many years you couldn’t go to the gardai to report being attacked if you were lgbt. I know this from first hand experience. So to see this at last is such a balm.
It’s this ireland now not the old one. Sure there were groups from all the main political parties taking part in parades all over the country as well as the Prode flag flying over Leinster house.

If those people really have nothing else to do but complain about gardai or whoever, showing support, id be sorry for them.
Those people are always complaining though. Especially if it’s anything progressive. And they aren’t open to a debate on it or having their minds changed usually. Just ignore them.
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Nice to see the Gardai and the PSNI marching yesterday.

The Gardai have a LGBT support group called G-Force, their Twitter account has some great pictures from yesterday!
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Nice to see the Gardai and the PSNI marching yesterday.

The Gardai have a LGBT support group called G-Force, their Twitter account has some great pictures from yesterday!
And the army too

Mad to see the PSNI take part.

This will make a certain party up north lose their tiny little backwards minds
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#alternativepride

https://twitter.com/elias_era/status...93889373757440

https://twitter.com/Chris_Noone_/sta...38678520897536

https://twitter.com/SWAIIreland/stat...45670002040832

https://twitter.com/SWAIIreland/stat...75411601903616

I'm not sure what sex workers, direct provision and Chechnya has specifically got to do with LGBT rights but I suppose they'll do as causes for the perpetually protesting gray dowdy socialist types. Arn't brothels illegal btw?

Judging by the lack of likes and comments on twiiter for #alternaivepride it looks like it turned about to be a bit of damp squib. I think if they waned to be truly alternative they would have organized the event in an alternative location and especially on an alternative day to the main event instead of feeding off the media coverage given to the main event they themselves say they couldn't consciously take part in - but did really.

I have always thought there exists within any kind of activism a proportion of ppl who are never happy and wouldn't know what to do with themselves should they get what they originally wanted. If #alternativepride caught on it wouldn't be long before they'd be organizing #alternative_alternative_pride.
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I'm not sure what sex workers, direct provision and Chechnya has specifically got to do with LGBT rights.
Alternative pride isn't really for me personally but nonetheless these are important and ongoing LGBT issues that were being given a platform yesterday
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Point is to remind all of us there’s still people being punished in the world for being gay. Out in Eastern Europe and Russia especially. Gay people being beaten and killed daily.

And the stonewall / trans aspect is literally the birth of pride in the first place. Something everyone forget me. Me included.

We can’t fall into complacency. That’s the point of pride and presumably alternative pride
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Nice to see the Gardai and the PSNI marching yesterday.

The Gardai have a LGBT support group called G-Force, their Twitter account has some great pictures from yesterday!
There was the Garda band, and a senior officer type group and a gforce group and the psni contingent and then the GRA.

I didn't clap the various Garda groups as others did around me. I was sorry I didn't.

The Irish army had a significant presence as well, including the army band.
I gave the army a clap.

In overall terms the corporate, should they be there, debate could take you years to sort out.
I would say that they all had some form of music, live or loudspeaker stuff.

These interludes added some sort of energy to the thing.

Some of the non musical accompanied groups were a bit dowdy in comparison. Not seeking to do them down, that's the way it seemed in parade terms. That's what I was judging it on.
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In overall terms the corporate, should they be there, debate could take you years to sort out.
Overall I'm a bit on the fence, I think there is too much opportunism and it is clearly just a marketing and PR exercise for big companies (wouldn't mind seeing a VFM analysis to see what it's actually worth to them) and it was a little sad to see the grassroots local support organizations almost taking a back seat to the big corporate floats when they should be the ones center stage. It's a shame that it's got to the point where fringe groups are setting up their own pride celebrations, I don't see a greater good coming out of that to be honest.

That said, a poster in another thread made a point about overwhelming visibility being a good thing for someone possibly questioning themselves and I have to say I do agree, one of the more sensible posts I've read when it comes to the pride debate.

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Stop this. This is whinging for no good reason. You have no idea the impact this visibility has on younger people who are unaware of queer politics and radical anti-capitalist goings on, and why should they. These groups are creating an unbelievable positive display of a country that backs and supports their people. Of course there are still rights challenges to be won, but how can you sit here and type away a whole movement? Why can't people enjoy this one day for what it is? This is now a Pride for everyone, like it or not. Go ahead and push for new changes, but can you hold off the keyboard conquests for one day of the year and perhaps bring up these issues other times in the year when it isn't as convenient?

If Tesco doing Pride sponsorships makes one confused young person feel like they might have a place in the world after all, we all win.
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