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Is the Irish Navy a disgrace?

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  • #32
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Our Navy a professional, upstanding outfit and a credit to our nation.
    They follow orders from the top as all servicemen and women do. In this case the top is the minister for defense.
    The disgraceful (and possibly illegal) 'rescuing' of economic migrants in the med was ordered by Simon Coveney and the responsibility lies with him.
    The Navy bear no responsibility as they are obligated to follow the orders they are given.


  • #33
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.


  • #34
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,842 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I dont think the Navy are a disgrace but many of the missions the Irish Navy are sent on are a disgrace.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #35
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,842 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Our Navy a professional, upstanding outfit and a credit to our nation.
    They follow orders from the top as all servicemen and women do. In this case the top is the minister for defense.
    The disgraceful (and possibly illegal) 'rescuing' of economic migrants in the med was ordered by Simon Coveney and the responsibility lies with him.
    The Navy bear no responsibility as they are obligated to follow the orders they are given.

    They can refuse illegal orders. In fact they are obliged to no?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #36
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Wonder where the army was in the Beast from the East last year. I am sure you will tell me.

    https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/969253756838862849

    We have a very small Army so there is only so much they can do.


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  • #37
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I dont think the Navy are a disgrace but many of the missions the Irish Navy are sent on are a disgrace.

    Perfect answer there. So who do we blame now?


  • #38
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    tuxy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/969253756838862849

    We have a very small Army so there is only so much they can do.

    I think that was my point really. Could we rely on them in a REAL emergency like Nuclear fallout or something.

    No one knows what the heck they do really in a neutral country.


  • #39
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Perfect answer there. So who do we blame now?

    Simon and Leo?


  • #40
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Well discrace is probably a bit OTT but you get my drift.

    When theyre not assisting illegal aliens to enter Europe theyre hassling Irish fishermen for the benefit of foreign fleets.
    The most recent act of eneptitude involves inexplicably arresting two northern fishing vessels where a long-standing gentleman's agreement has allowed reciprocal fishing rights. This will also undoudtably effect already strained relations with the north and UK.

    have had several dealings with the navy , and i would have some issues with some of their operations , or lack of , regarding fisheries . However overall i would not describe them as a disgrace and i can't see how arresting two boats that were fishing illegally is a problem


  • #41
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Simon and Leo?

    Would it not be Leo and Paul(Kehoe)?


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  • #42
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Wonder where the army was in the Beast from the East last year. I am sure you will tell me.

    "The Defence Forces have been called out on eight occasions over the last 24 hours."

    Extract from Irish Independant

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/beast-from-the-east-status-red-snow-alert-in-place-until-friday-1.3408511%3fmode=amp

    Theres plenty of examples online if you do a search and not limited to 2018.

    The DF can only be used when requested to do so by AGS or another State body on the authorisation of the Minister/Taoiseach.


  • #43
    pawdee
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭pawdee


    It's easy to poke fun at the Irish Navy with their turf powered aircraft carriers but shure aren't they grand?


  • #44
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    wexandproud wrote: »
    have had several dealings with the navy , and i would have some issues with some of their operations , or lack of , regarding fisheries . However overall i would not describe them as a disgrace and i can't see how arresting two boats that were fishing illegally is a problem

    To be fair, the focus of late has been on the rescue of illegal immigrants in the Med by our Navy.

    That seems to have been curtailed now, or at least I haven't heard any positive spin on it lately.


  • #45
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.

    What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?


  • #46
    TCM
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    I've a sinking feeling about this affair.


  • #47
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    TCM wrote: »
    I've a sinking feeling about this affair.

    I do like a post like this. No harm being cynical is there.


  • #48
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Dale Doback wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.

    What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?
    working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !


  • #49
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !

    So none.


  • #50
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,842 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Dale Doback wrote: »
    What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?

    They are getting paid for it. Because the rest are working away and paying taxes. Funding ships... fuel etc. Go team.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #51
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,111 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    HMS St Albans doing 13 knots towards Belfast, things just got real, lol...

    stalbans-background_1500x1090.jpg

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-5.7/centery:54.7/zoom:11


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  • #52
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    They are getting paid for it. Because the rest are working away and paying taxes. Funding ships... fuel etc. Go team.

    Of course they are getting paid for it.

    You want them to do it for free?


  • #53
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    They can refuse illegal orders. In fact they are obliged to no?

    Well that's the thing, it's a matter of perception.
    The political class, the Media, NGOs and much of the left perceive those crossing the med as 'refugees' in distress so that is how they are regarded. Therefore it is legal to 'rescue' them.

    It does seem strange though that a search and rescue operation 'rescues' vessels in distress in the exact same location and exact same coordinates every single day for over two years.

    Any other coastguard or rescue operation in this situation would arouse suspicion and warrant immediate investigation but not in this case for some reason.


  • #54
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,842 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Dale Doback wrote: »
    Of course they are getting paid for it.

    You want them to do it for free?

    Not sure what your point is. They are following orders in carrying out missions. That may involve rescuing people or arresting people or shooting at people or ships. They are not a charitable humanitarian organisation. They are carrying out missions to get paid and to serve the state not for humanitarian reasons. They dont get to choose the mission. So praising them as individuals for the aims of the mission misses the point entirely.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #55
    Gwanoman
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Gwanoman


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !

    Yeah... this never really happens..


  • #56
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Gwanoman wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !

    Yeah... this never really happens..
    Pop down to cobh sometime. Its pathetic ! And yes it does bloody happen pal. Pity credit like this cheering dressed up dummies off a ship isn't done to firefighters. Ambulance men. Police. Army..real men working daily protecting Ireland and its people.


  • #57
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    That agreement was challenged in Dublin in 2016 but remains unchallenged in the UK. The fishermen from the south can fish in Uk waters but not vice versa.

    And do they? Genuine question, I am baffled by this. All the references are to Irish fishermen being allowed to fish in the north, there is no mention of them actually choosing to. The fact that the nordies come south would tend to suggest that, for whatever reason, the fishing is better on the south side. As I said in my original post, if both sides are happily fishing both sides of the border then this is a bizarre move.


  • #58
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Can you imagine how Britain would feel if an EU army was carrying this out?


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    As I said in my original post, if both sides are happily fishing both sides of the border then this is a bizarre move.
    it's not bizarre, the Irish Government is just acting in accordance with an (Irish) Supreme Court ruling that has struck down our voisinage agreement (you fish in my seas, I'll fish in yours) with the UK.

    The UK, for whatever reason, continues to allow irish vessels into its waters.


  • #60
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Pop down to cobh sometime. Its pathetic ! And yes it does bloody happen pal. Pity credit like this cheering dressed up dummies off a ship isn't done to firefighters. Ambulance men. Police. Army..real men working daily protecting Ireland and its people.

    Real men who recovered 40 or so bodies from the sea after the Air India disaster .


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  • #61
    Satta Massagana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Satta Massagana


    Nixonbot wrote: »
    Yvan eht nioj.

    Hmm. I wonder are they recruiting. I've a sudden urge to get the train down to Cork.


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