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How do you convince people god exists?

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
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    So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..


  • #33
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    CQD wrote: »
    So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

    The problem being there's just too much for any one person to understand it all, and it's only going to get worse.


  • #34
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Eggs For Dinner wrote: »
    I've battled with belief for a long time, having been brought up to accept the norm. However, over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that a loving God could not let this happen, so I'm out.


    If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

    What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
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    But like, even with the more out there chaotic mathematics for instance.. there's a beauty to it that would suggest a divine creator behind it..

    who was it that said (I'm paraphrasing)..

    'When you take a sip from the cup of science you may be an atheist, but when you finish it, there is God looking back at you from the bottom of the cup..'


  • #36
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    kneemos wrote: »
    If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

    What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

    So God is bound by natural laws that he's also credited with creating in the first place?


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  • #37
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    kneemos wrote: »
    If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

    What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.


    There ain't any god


    Look at this and tell me there is :


    ( Warning 4 year old with neuroblastoma )

    https://imgur.com/ugnYTVh


    .


  • #38
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,788 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    kneemos wrote: »
    If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

    What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

    Impossible... for an omnipotent super being? Why do we need a world at all? Let's go straight to the Utopia phase.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #39
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,788 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    CQD wrote: »
    So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

    Have you taken antibiotics, or any prescription medicines? Come back to me and talk about blind faith when god saves your life, as opposed to the trained scientists who made the life saving medicine.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #40
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    kowloon wrote: »
    So God is bound by natural laws that he's also credited with creating in the first place?


    Well heaven is supposedly a utopia.


  • #41
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Impossible... for an omnipotent super being? Why do we need a world at all? Let's go straight to the Utopia phase.

    You'd know the meaning of life.


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  • #42
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    God knows everything. God rules the world. God allows floods, fires, kiddie fiddlers, tsunamis, everything. He must want everyone up in the clouds or something.

    No one can argue that God is good if he allows such suffering. And it is usually towards the poorer cohort of society.

    Sunk cost fallacy maybe for some so called believers.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    CQD wrote: »
    So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

    Have you taken antibiotics, or any prescription medicines? Come back to me and talk about blind faith when god saves your life, as opposed to the trained scientists who made the life saving medicine.

    What are you talking about?.. This is the level of considered debate one comes to expect from your generic atheist..

    Explain to me so how antibiotics work..


  • #44
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,788 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    kneemos wrote: »
    You'd know the meaning of life.

    If he needs to create a world in which children are afflicted by horrors every to prove his point, his meaning of life is evil.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #45
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    This subject matter clearly belongs in A&A, rather than AH.

    If the relevant mods reopen the thread please familiarise yourselves with that forums charter.


  • #46
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    More of a religious question i’d have thought. But, hey, it landed here - discuss!


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Found that quote..

    "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."
    Werner Heisenberg


  • #48
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    It's about identity. Their parents bring them up to believe it, so that belief is part of their identity and their sense of belonging to a group greater than themselves. Questioning those beliefs can therefore be seen as a betrayal. Some religions explicitly and extremely treat it as such.

    Some people convert. They are joining a new group. Sometimes it's because they want to have a family with someone who is invested in it. Sometimes it's because they don't have a strong sense of identity or belonging. Sometimes you can't really get why they do.

    The hijacking of family by religion is one of it's more subtle evils. Plenty of examples spring to mind of adult children having major issues with their parents because they don't conform to their beliefs, and their parents cannot accept it.


  • #49
    donspeekinglesh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    There are no atheists in foxholes.

    http://www.militaryatheists.org would disagree.


  • #50
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Atheism. The superstition that everything came from nothing.


  • #51
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    kneemos wrote: »
    Well heaven is supposedly a utopia.

    I'll bet it's more like South Sudan or Somalia.

    Why did this thread end up in A&A?

    Shouldn't it be in the Prison Soccer forum or Christians Against Everyone Else forum?

    Anyway, Gott Mitt Uns, so if she's with them then I'm against her.


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  • #52
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Atheism. The superstition that everything came from nothing.

    Atheism is just about a lack of belief in a god or gods. Nothing else.


  • #53
    magicbastarder
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    CQD wrote: »
    Found that quote..

    "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."
    Werner Heisenberg
    "this quote appears to be disputed" - attributed to Werner Heisenberg.


  • #54
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Beasty wrote: »
    Simply show proof. In this case I've never been presented with any proof and hence am not convinced
    It's called faith and it keeps a lot of people happy in their lives so let them be. I know plenty of people who will say there's no proof of a god so it doesn't exist but ask them if there's extra terestrial life out there they'll say of course there is we can't be the only planet out of billiions that's inhabited. Why need proof of one and not the other?


  • #55
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,230 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    It's called faith and it keeps a lot of people happy in their lives so let them be. I know plenty of people who will say there's no proof of a god so it doesn't exist but ask them if there's extra terestrial life out there they'll say of course there is we can't be the only planet out of billiions that's inhabited. Why need proof of one and not the other?

    It was only a few years ago that the Vatican came out and admitted there may be aliens after spending millenna preaching earth was a unique creation by god
    Think it was in A Brief History of Time that Hawking proves god doesn't exist in a single paragraph


  • #56
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    kneemos wrote: »
    Well heaven is supposedly a utopia.

    But heaven is a place on Earth, there's even a song about it.


  • #57
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,625 ✭✭✭corks finest


    For those with faith no sweat for those without it - not a hope ,one shouldn't have to convince anyone of anything


  • #58
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Religion, together we will find a cure.


  • #59
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,230 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Religion, together we will find a cure.

    ...because prayer solves everything


  • #60
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    It isn't so easy to prove God exists, but impossible to reasonably know He does not exist.


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  • #61
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,230 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    but impossible to reasonably know He does not exist.

    Very easy for an atheist or anyone else who isn't Christian


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