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14-01-2020, 13:26   #121
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I tried it on a laptop and it was working fine. Turned it off after using it as normal and now it won't start up!
Freezes on startup right after the windows logo disappears.
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This is MS info page/guide regarding which hardware can run Windows 10, but to be honest it isn’t a great resource.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ie/wind...specifications

There’s a compatibility checker app available from MS. The link is in point #2 of this other info page.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d-ee93a1632932

Also, just my own opinion:
A lot of lower spec machines (Intel Celerons, Pentiums, Atoms and AMD Turions or Athlon II for example) from ~2007 to ~2012 can technically run Windows 10, but will not provide you with a very good user experience.

Having more RAM helps, and if you have already, in the past, upgraded the system with a SSD that definitely gives a boost, but I would advise against putting money into systems like this now, as you really are fighting an uphill battle, and would be better off investing in a more modern machine.

A lot of longer term value and much better computing experience can be got from investing that money into something more modern from the refurbished market.

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14-01-2020, 17:50   #123
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Is the Radeon HD 6670 1gb ddr3 ok for Windows 10?
I know it is quite an old GPU.
I've heard of Windows 10 screwing up drivers on older cards.
I only have 4gb ram but that should be fine.
I'm not a Windows 10 fan at all but Windows 7 which I still have is probably going to be a haven for hackers.
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14-01-2020, 18:03   #124
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Is the Radeon HD 6670 1gb ddr3 ok for Windows 10?
I know it is quite an old GPU.
I've heard of Windows 10 screwing up drivers on older cards.
I only have 4gb ram but that should be fine.
I'm not a Windows 10 fan at all but Windows 7 which I still have is probably going to be a haven for hackers.

It's fine - DirectX 11 (Win 10 minimum rec DX9) and the W10 drivers are here.
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14-01-2020, 20:37   #125
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Am about to attempt upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10 on a 10 year old PC which still does the basics fairly well and suits me fine. It's always fine with installing and updating etc. Passed compatability test for W10 fine. Wish me luck...
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No risk.

Additionally if for any reason Windows 10 is not acting properly you have a month to roll back to your Windows 7 installation which involves just clicking a button.
In a perfect world.



A lot of time you get.
"we ran into a problem and won't be able to take you back to the previous version of windows".


I have restored back to a previous version many times successfully. But a lot of the times it wont work, whether it be bad sectors, drivers registry or what not.


Just for the ease of the user if a failure happens. Backup your user files to an external drive while your still on windows 7. At least you can attempt a wipe afterwards.
No such thing at no risk when upgrading, downgrading with operating systems.
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Well so far so good on Windows 10 install. Have somehow passed many of the hurdles other people have run into. Am convinced I won't be able to get to the finish line though - currently at 2% of working on updates. At least it booted to w10 rather than 7 when it restarted!
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I've clean installed Win 10 before on my Dell XPS 15 L502x (Sandy Bridge (Core i3 2310m @ 2.1 GHZ) processor with 16GB Ram and nVidia GeForce GT525M GPU).

Although it installed reasonably well I had to install all of the appropriate windows 8 drivers from the Dell website as the machine is not supported for Win10 by Dell nor were the stock Win10 drivers doing what they were supposed to do - things like the fans on constantly, Intel WiDi no longer working and general slowdown).

I couldn't help but notice that it was still slower than Windows 7 and reverted back.

Would upgrading my 7200rpm drive to a basic SSD do the job (say WD Green, not even WD Blue?) I just wonder is there a lot going on in the background of Win10 vs Win7 that's causing such slowdown. The updates downloading in the background alone must take up a lot of processing time.
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15-01-2020, 11:35   #129
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I've clean installed Win 10 before on my Dell XPS 15 L502x (Sandy Bridge (Core i3 2310m @ 2.1 GHZ) processor with 16GB Ram and nVidia GeForce GT525M GPU).

Although it installed reasonably well I had to install all of the appropriate windows 8 drivers from the Dell website as the machine is not supported for Win10 by Dell nor were the stock Win10 drivers doing what they were supposed to do - things like the fans on constantly, Intel WiDi no longer working and general slowdown).

I couldn't help but notice that it was still slower than Windows 7 and reverted back.

Would upgrading my 7200rpm drive to a basic SSD do the job (say WD Green, not even WD Blue?) I just wonder is there a lot going on in the background of Win10 vs Win7 that's causing such slowdown. The updates downloading in the background alone must take up a lot of processing time.

any ssd will speed up the laptop, its not a big job to replace it on the xps, loads of videos on how to do it online. ive one too, and it went fine.
however, win 10 will be a bit of a pig for the first few boot ups, and around patch tuesday, due to the background insulation and driver checking.
itll be good nuff for youtube and office.
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I've clean installed Win 10 before on my Dell XPS 15 L502x (Sandy Bridge (Core i3 2310m @ 2.1 GHZ) processor with 16GB Ram and nVidia GeForce GT525M GPU).

Although it installed reasonably well I had to install all of the appropriate windows 8 drivers from the Dell website as the machine is not supported for Win10 by Dell nor were the stock Win10 drivers doing what they were supposed to do - things like the fans on constantly, Intel WiDi no longer working and general slowdown).

I couldn't help but notice that it was still slower than Windows 7 and reverted back.

Would upgrading my 7200rpm drive to a basic SSD do the job (say WD Green, not even WD Blue?) I just wonder is there a lot going on in the background of Win10 vs Win7 that's causing such slowdown. The updates downloading in the background alone must take up a lot of processing time.
Performance will benefit hugely from an SSD, it maybe 8+ years old but well specced with a SATA III board and 16GB RAM too. You'll need to swap out the obsolete wireless card also - Amazon have an XPS compatible dual Intel and a top mid-range Crucial BX400 240GB all in for £45.13 delivered.


I'd install 7 and the W7 main drivers (Order: Chipset, Management Engine, Renesas USB3,Rapid Storage, nVidia Gforce, Audio Driver, Ethernet, Cardreader, New Wireless and Bluetooth, Touchpad & Webcam)


Use the online W10 creator tool to download the 'ISO for another machine' option - burn it to disc or USB. Run it from within W7 to upgrade and decline any updates until afterwards. Once complete you can hopefully 'clear' Device Manager by running the remaining drivers 7 - or 8 if required - in compatibility mode.



If its working OK avoid any Intel wireless add-ons, the likes of PROSet are redundant under W10.


Good Luck, though Kat installed the Wireless card and a SSD only last week:


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I tried it on a laptop and it was working fine. Turned it off after using it as normal and now it won't start up!
Freezes on startup right after the windows logo disappears.

Hey I was looking at your post and hoping you got it sorted.
What can happen when you install Windows 10 is after turning on your laptop is you get a black screen and you think something is wrong.
What is happening here is Windows 10 is basically updating itself without letting you know and after about 10 minutes you'll see a Window pop up saying its updating.
I've seen cases of that happening before.
Windows 10 is a really bad OS for that because it keeps updating without telling the user and you don't know what the heck is going on either your pc is laggy as hell or you've a black screen and it usually means the OS is updating.
It's part of the reason why I haven't upgraded to Windows 10.
I've seen how bad Windows 10 can be so that's why it is hard to make that jump from 7 to 10.
Unfortunately I think Windows 7 is a security risk now so will have to bite the bullet and jump to 10 anyway. Plus I play games sometimes on PC and Linux is just not as good for gaming unfortunately because it just isn't supported enough by developers. I hope a lot of people jump to Linux but for playing games Linux is just no good in comparison.
Hopefully that will change but not until games developers actually properly support it.
So we're going to be stuck with this badly developed inferior product.
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Well the install worked great even if it did take hours. My problem now is w10 itself being slow and unusable. Takes ages to load anything, and hard drive led light is on all the time even on log in screen! I am really not great with tech but managed to get to the updates screen in settings and there are still updates to be installed from this month. So keeping my fingers crossed this was one of my issues and i can iron out any other problems. I am a bit worried as this is a really old pc (10 years) and was laggy anyway on videos etc but I just want the very basic load up easy websites, email etc. If Windows didn't think the machine was up to the job, maybe it shouldn't have let me install it? anyway not moaning too much until I see what happens!
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So Ive installed windows 10 on a windows 7 machine. At first it was so slow it was pretty unusable and the hard drive light kept going solidly all the time. Eventually I installed more recent updates and this seemed to help things hugely - the hard drive light became normal. Now it's started being slow and constantly loading again. What can I do now without knowing what it's doing? So annoying. If it's not updates what is it?
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15-01-2020, 17:18   #134
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What are the specs of your pc?
CPU and RAM?

What you could do is go into task manager and look at the processes and what is running.
Your ram and hard disk are probably being hogged by something.
Also try setting feedback and diagnostics diagnostic and usage data to basic.
That might help.
There's a lot of crap going on in Windows 10 that no-one needs and it just hogs the system and slows things down.
That's why so many people have been putting off using it.

Or else it could be more updates.
Try the check for updates thing.

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What are the specs of your pc?
CPU and RAM?

What you could do is go into task manager and look at the processes and what is running.
Your ram and hard disk are probably being hogged by something.
Also try setting feedback and diagnostics diagnostic and usage data to basic.
That might help.
There's a lot of crap going on in Windows 10 that no-one needs and it just hogs the system and slows things down.
That's why so many people have been putting off using it.

Or else it could be more updates.
Try the check for updates thing.

Thanks for the reply. Well I was posting on my phone before but I'm now on Boards desktop so that's a good start! At this very moment it seems no slower than before (old computer anyway) and internet working grand. Still a bit nervous as it seems a bit up and down and I don't want to be damaging my comp. But maybe I just need patience and have forgotten how a new OS even on a new comp takes time to bed in. I've just uninstalled a load of stuff like Skype, XBox etc that I have no need for on this PC so hopefully that'll be more help. Thanks again.
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