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The Grapevine (OFF TOPIC CHAT) Part II
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Tar.Aldarion wrote: »I would consider that not plantbased but vegan, since it doesn't harm any animals to have it cooked nearby meat I have no issue with it personally.
I tend to take a similar view on things like this and the KFC vegan burger. As the veggie-working-towards-vegan separated mum of two young children who are omni to keep their dad happy it opens up many more options for us. I know that my children (nearly 4 and 2) are guaranteed to eat a BK kids meal. There are times when it will be the easy option for us to go somewhere like that. If I can get a meal as well then it makes our lives easier.
Similarly, with the KFC vegan burger there are actual vegan sides - but if I get the beans then my 2 year old is likely to dive in
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In McDonalds they have the big screens for ordering stuff on yourself, you can customise the burgers. I noticed there was a "remove beef pattie button", I remember hearing of people asking for burgers with no bun who were off bread.
You can now ask for lettuce and mayo on even the eurosaver burgers. I get double cheeseburgers with the works, extra lettuce, mayo, mustard, pickles, onions, ketchup. They are quite substantial.
McDonalds do veggie dippers so I guess you could get those and a eurosaver burger with no meat and build your own burger. Might be cheaper than buying the dedicated burger. Or stick some chips in the burger bun.
It looks like the veggie burger just has 2 dippers in it.
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https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/01/Environmental-impact-of-foods-by-life-cycle-stage.png
https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local?fbclid=IwAR3eVgttM6X6RtygEh-RhRXohxyvz0CB2-Mmx1sD8ur-q54eyPUIKtNa0uI
Nice article explaining why what you eat is far more important than where your food comes from, sometimes local food is even worse for the environment, interestingly.0 -
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Tar, that picture is really interesting, but it's also massive (to reduce it to the width of the screen I had to reduce it to 30%) - could you possibly resize it, please? If it's just me, then don't worry.
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Tar.Aldarion wrote: »https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/01/Environmental-impact-of-foods-by-life-cycle-stage.png
https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local?fbclid=IwAR3eVgttM6X6RtygEh-RhRXohxyvz0CB2-Mmx1sD8ur-q54eyPUIKtNa0uI
Nice article explaining why what you eat is far more important than where your food comes from, sometimes local food is even worse for the environment, interestingly.
Taking the 'nuts' example at the bottom, I think of how our patch has been transformed - we have lots of trees now plus have turned grazing into semi-self-sufficient food production. The land may not be CO2 negative but it's possibly as neutral as one can get.0 -
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I think for most people, they just do what is practicable for them, so telling if a courgette in a supermarket was made in this way is quite hard, so they just do their best. They are mostly concerned with the more important aspects, perhaps if everybody was vegan then those things would be under more scrutiny. At the end of the day there are many problems with production at a commercial scale in general that people have to work out. If a vegan was growing at a small scale like that they would probably make endeavours to find an alternative. In general, you can't live without doing harm, but what you can do is try and limit it best you can. 0 -
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auspicious wrote: »
Ham burger
Beef burger
Veggie burger
They’ve been around for years but now they want to change it. It’s just shows you how worried they are lol.0 -
Katherine Drake StoweResearch Coordinator
North Carolina Soybean Producers Association
https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/north-carolina-soybean-production-guide/soybean-facts
Soy cultivation is a major driver of deforestation in the Amazon basin. Seeds from the soybean plant provide high protein animal feed for livestock, and 80% of Amazon soy is destined for animal feed; smaller percentages are used for oil or eaten directly. Today Brazil has 24-25 million hectares devoted to the growth of this crop, and is currently the second largest producer of soybeans in the world.
https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/soy#:~:text=Soy%20cultivation%20is%20a%20major,for%20oil%20or%20eaten%20directly.
The majority of soybean is grown primarily for animal feed. All soybean is processed for oil first.0 -
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