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Selling site without planning

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  • 28-02-2021 11:06pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭


    Hi.

    I am considering selling a site subject to planning.What is the process and would you get much less that selling it with planning in place?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ax530


    No as Think subject to planning means sale only closed once purchaser get planning, around here anyhow that only way to sell it due to 'local need' Clause so open planning is not useful to a purchaser.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭sentient_6


    A buyer would normally try secure planning before proceeding with the sale to protect themselves. No point buying a site to find some bull**** after that prevents planning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Thanks.Is it best to advertise site and let buyer get permission themselves?If planning wasn't granted they would lose out only on costs involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,820 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    fire_man wrote: »
    Thanks.Is it best to advertise site and let buyer get permission themselves?If planning wasn't granted they would lose out only on costs involved.
    Yes, that would be the norm. Im assuming its in a rural location?


  • Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Thanks .Yes a rural location.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    fire_man wrote: »
    Thanks.Is it best to advertise site and let buyer get permission themselves?If planning wasn't granted they would lose out only on costs involved.

    Yes this the norm.
    Advertise the site.
    Buyer agrees price subject to planning.
    Contracts drawn up. (Not sure if refundable deposit applies).
    Buyer then starts the planning process with a letter of consent from yourself to apply.
    Grant = deal done and payment.
    Refusal - deal off and buyer is only down the planning costs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Thanks Gumbo for this.Very little costs to seller so if no planning granted.Just Auctioner and solicitor fees.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,193 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Whats the value of the site?
    If its a small site, I don't see much appetite for a prospective purchaser maybe incurring 10k in in non planning application costs, with maybe very little upside.
    On the other side if there is a lot of upside from getting planning, then maybe all of this upside wont be reflected in the price you agree so you need to have some stab at the upside calculation....

    Time for a blast from the past

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/moriarty-s-inquiry-takes-us-back-to-telecom-deal-1.257131

    What we have learned this week takes us back to where we came in on this decade of disillusioning revelations, the scandal surrounding the purchase by Telecom Eireann of the Johnston Mooney and O'Brien (JMOB) site in Ballsbridge, Dublin. This is one of the most flagrant examples of public money ending up in private hands and what we have heard this week suggests the need to look at it again. In April 1989, Dermot Desmond concluded an agreement with the liquidator of JMOB to buy the Ballsbridge site for £4 million. The sale to a company called Chestvale was concluded on September 1st 1989. Just six weeks later, Dermot Desmond told his bankers, Ansbacher, that he would be selling the site to a UK property company for £5.8 million. This deal was not done, however, because Dermot Desmond had become involved in negotiations to sell the site to Telecom Eireann.
    In these negotiations, Dermot Desmond was understood by Telecom to be a "bona-fide intermediary" between it and the owners of the site. Telecom did not know that he was in fact one of the owners and that he stood to make a massive personal gain from its sale. On January 9th, Dermot Desmond told Telecom that the "best price" he could get the site for would be £9.4 million - well over twice what it had cost three months previously and £3.6 million more than he was willing to sell it for two months previously. Telecom agreed to pay this price. Essentially, Dermot Desmond and a small group of associates made over £5 million in less than a year at the expense of the public.

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