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Hermy · 10-01-2023 9:21pm

Wire sounds good.

Rmulvany · 20-01-2023 2:27pm

I have a question regarding a note written in a baptism record (Kilnoe Parish, County Clare).

Link:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634660#page/1/mode/1up

Image:

This record has eluded me for quote some time because the transcript for the entry has the mother's name as Bridget Mugavin and I was searching for a Bridget Markham.

Upon a revisit and a closer look I notice that Markham is written above Mugavin, as well as a shorthand note.

Any ideas to the meaning of the note? Could it be referencing that Bridget was married to a Mr. Mugavin/Mr. Markham before her marriage to Michael Moloney?

55Gem · 20-01-2023 4:53pm

I'd say she was married twice.

The mark above is just the priests initials, think they are JG, they appear a few time just like EM, there is a note on the next page giving EM's name. Eugene something.

If the priests were still living by 1864 you may find their names on Civil Certs of marriages from the parish.

chooseusername · 20-01-2023 8:36pm

There's a marriage of a James Mougavin to Bridget Plean in Killaloe, O Callaghan Mills in April 1845.

I can't find it on NLI, maybe someone can link to it here.

This is a screenshot from Ancestry, and the link;

mougavin.jpg

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2017930%3A61039?_phsrc=edp18&_phstart=successSource&gsln=mugavin&ml_rpos=4&queryId=434173160ee06cda26ca13bba3e7bcbe

EDIT: Link added...

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634684#page/19/mode/1up

Hermy · 10-03-2023 10:40am

Not exactly a handwriting issue but I'm interested in opinions on this birth record for Thomas Keegan.

He's born in 1920 to Harriet Keegan nee Mickley but the space where his fathers name should be has an X through it.

His father sailed from Queenstown to New York in 1911 and I don't yet know what became of him.

It's the third entry from the bottom.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01220/1507594.pdf

pinkypinky · 10-03-2023 10:46am

Oh that's not something I've seen before. Is there a marriage for the parents?

Hermy · 10-03-2023 11:02am

Yes, parents were married in Naas in 1897 following Harriet's baptism earlier the same month, she having been born in England and previously received a Church of England baptism.

The were living in Cork by the time of their third child's birth in 1903 though the second child's birth record gives the father, John Keegan's, address as London and he working as a groom on all records I have for him.

Thomas died at three weeks old and his death record describes him as a labourers child.

Hermy · 10-03-2023 2:28pm

I'd be inclined to assume that the family lost contact with the father after he went to America and that someone else is Thomas' father.

Perhaps a baptism record would clarify that.

pinkypinky · 10-03-2023 3:17pm

Certainly seems like he wasn't the father.

55Gem · 10-03-2023 4:14pm

At the time (up to quite recently) a married woman's child was by law her husband's even if he wasn't the father so as he wasn't even named on this cert she may have said/believed he was dead or refused to give his name. It's odd that even his surname was written down.

It's a very unusual cert.

chooseusername · 10-03-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341169#Comment_120341169

If she knew the husband was not the father it's odd she didn't say who the father was.

But there could be any number of reasons why she withheld the real fathers name. I've seen the father's name left blank but that's a very definite cross for the name and profession.

Hermy · 10-03-2023 6:04pm

Yes it's one of those where the 'what' seems obvious but the 'why' is yet another imponderable to add to my collection!

Hermy · 17-03-2023 9:30am

I wonder could someone check if the front page of the Freeman's Journal of Oct 9th 1885 is any more legible at Find My Past than it is at the Irish News Archive.

It's the marriage notice of Joseph Halpin and Bedelia Nolan and there are what appear to be two words in brackets after the brides name which I can't make out.

euro_girl21 · 17-03-2023 10:00am

It says "...Bedelia (Dotie) second daughter of the late John Nolan"

Hermy · 17-03-2023 10:48am

That's brilliant euro girl - thanks!

pinkypinky · 17-03-2023 10:12pm

Awesome. And you'd never have guessed Dotie as a diminutive for Bedelia.

Mick Tator · 17-03-2023 11:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120371054#Comment_120371054

I don't think it is a diminutive, it's a nickname - Dotie, from a little dote (darling). I've seen it associated with other christian names also. A variation of Bridget/Bedelia that I encountered a while back was 'Pidgie' (in a Cork family).

pinkypinky · 22-03-2023 12:05pm

Morning

Interested in opinions please of the marriage of Terence Dunne to Mary Dunne on 17/2/1868

https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000633359_024?print=true

Mary's parents are Cornelius and Margaret Thompson of Westmeath. There's something in the dispensations box but I can't read it.

Interestingly, the civil marriage for this couple has recorded Mary Smith, and she later married a second time, where her parents are recorded as Cornelius and Bridget. But I've got enough to confirm it's the same woman.

Hermy · 22-03-2023 1:23pm

It looks something like...

Banns in Diocese/ Born in Diocese

of Meath dis...

by Revd P. Duff

P.P. Dunshaughlin

pinkypinky · 22-03-2023 3:20pm

Thanks H.

pinkypinky · 31-03-2023 3:15pm

What do people think of this birth for Michael Gray please? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03575/2317649.pdf

Place of birth

Mother's birth name

I ask because it does not appear to match the corresponding baptismal record/other children born to the couple or their marriage, which I can only find in the church (1864) but not civil.

BowWow · 31-03-2023 3:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424061#Comment_120424061

Derrytamer & Baker.

pinkypinky · 31-03-2023 4:47pm

I can't find a Derrytamer in Meath though. Agree on the surname.

I think there might be 2 couples called Philip & Jane Gray.

When I use familysearch I see some baptisms in Enfield to a mother Jane Baker, but also Jane Bligh in Bellivor parish, where Derryconnor is situated.

pinkypinky · 03-04-2023 4:15pm

Figured this out. Jane married twice. Baker by birth, first marriage: Bligh.

Hermy · 26-05-2023 7:55am

Could I get some opinions on this Irish census return please?

I'm interested in the number of years married and number of children born and still living.

The writing isn't very clear so I'm interested to know if ye see the same numbers I am seeing, thanks.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003181985/

55Gem · 26-05-2023 8:16am

I’d go with 42 married, 6 born, 5 living

Deja Boo · 26-05-2023 8:22am

To me it appears as 42, 6 and 5 as well.

Given the similar way they wrote a 5 in line 6 (and that there is no 4 to refer back to)....

Hermy · 26-05-2023 8:31am

Thanks folks - that's what I'm seeing too.

I'm struggling to account for all of her children, particularly from the first marriage, so it helps to know there were only six of them.

BowWow · 26-05-2023 8:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120641716#Comment_120641716

+ 1

Mick Tator · 26-05-2023 9:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120641747#Comment_120641747

I agree on 42 and 6 but think the number still living is '3' not 5. I agree that figure is slightly different/less 'loopy' to the 3 in the other ages, but the initial downstroke of the figure is very far to the right snd too far off the vertical to be a 5. Could that by why you are having difficulty finding them?

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