12-06-2019, 18:45 | #976 |
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I disagree with his apocalyptic view of Europe’s future, the great replacement of white Europeans with Asian and African Muslims. There is projection that supports it.
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12-06-2019, 20:19 | #977 | |
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Therefore not just "an attack on people purely for being who they are". I'm guessing the police are now trying to work out what to charge the perpetrators with. Maybe multiple charges, but it will be interesting to see. And then, when it goes to court, we'll see which charges actually stick. In the courtroom, the fact that the victims were homosexual may not get the same prominence as was given by the media. |
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12-06-2019, 21:11 | #978 |
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13-06-2019, 10:19 | #981 | |
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Mugging a homosexual person is not necessarily a more serious crime than mugging a heterosexual person. Homosexuals are not more important in the hierarchy of victimhood. People saying that in this thread are being accused of homophobia for saying it. If muggers demanded that a hetero couple kiss for the muggers amusement, before escalating it into a fight and a robbery, would that be a heterophobic hate crime? What if the muggers were homosexuals, would that make any difference? |
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13-06-2019, 10:27 | #982 | |
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13-06-2019, 10:29 | #983 | ||
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I think where we differ here - see if you agree - is you are defining the nature of the attack based on what was done _during_ the attack - whereas I would be defining it based on the _intention_ of the attack regardless of what they actually did during the attack. I suppose both are equally valid. But only one answers the question I was answering when I replied to Hector. Which is to explain why one attack might result in more discussion than the other. Which is that a mugging - an attack with the intention of taking someone's possessions is - while horrific and to be condemned - is at least easy to understand. Whereas attacking someone - whether you take their stuff or not while doing it - purely because of who they are as a person - has an extra dimension of horror and confusion and distaste to us and some people find it harder to understand. |
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13-06-2019, 10:31 | #984 |
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13-06-2019, 10:35 | #985 | |
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13-06-2019, 10:39 | #986 | |
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I haven't taken that step, preferring instead to wait and see what the perps are charged with, and whether those charges are proven. |
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13-06-2019, 10:42 | #987 | |
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There is no conflict there between the two statements. In fact I actually posted my post - then went back and edited it to specifically put in the "would be" for that very reason ![]() ![]() ![]() But I think we are allowed to postulate to answer Hectors question as to why one murder gets almost no discussion and this attack does. I think we can answer that users question working entirely with hypotheticals? |
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You can be charged with a hate crime but you can also be charged with a regular assault and the judge can take your victim's circumstances and what he believes your motivations were into account when deciding your punishment. |
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