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12-04-2018, 10:56   #31
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Deservedly so.
Seen as they weren't found guilty of anything, I can only assume you mean because of their foolish text messages? Do you judge yourself by the same standards?
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What station was that on?
Newtalk after 9 am.

Lectured everyone but young women. Unchallenged too.

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A world war could be going on and the talk in the Irish bunker would be the Belfast Rape Trial.
By this logic, we have protests about this trial, but no protests about actual crimes against women elsewhere. Madness innit?
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This thread in a nutshell..... ignore the ruling. Mob man hater mentality. Pitiful ignorance of the law and democracy!
I'm not ignoring any rulings, I just think they behaved like absolute scumbags and should deservedly suffer the consequences of this. Polls have demonstrated that most people agree with me.

Mob man hater mentality? Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. Personally I'm more astounded that people don't see anything wrong with their behavior and think they should just pick up where they left off. That's fcuked up.
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I'm not ignoring any rulings, I just think they behaved like absolute scumbags and should deservedly suffer the consequences of this. Polls have demonstrated that most people agree with me.

Mob man hater mentality? Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. Personally I'm more astounded that people don't see anything wrong with their behavior and think they should just pick up where they left off. That's fcuked up.
I still don't see where they behaved like absolute scumbags? Like are we placing them in the same bracket as petty criminals that have hundreds of convictions, still roaming the streets? Or harassing people?
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Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.

A relative was in a shop in town this week and Bill Clinton arrived in, the women in the shop were literally gasping for a few crumbs from him.

He was a married man when he had oral sex with someone much younger, what in Gods name is wrong with what went on in that madhouse in Belfast.

Three drunk young people got into a bed to have hankypanky. A fourth person Dara Florence opened the door, she was invited to join in but it wasnt her cup of tea. No one pressurised her in anyway even though two of the people in the bed are supposed to have terrorised a woman. Another man opens the door and he is invited to join in and he literally jumps at the opportunity.

The next day various texts are sent in reply to a pal asking how the night went. Another pal sends a video of a porn clip, we know the vast majority of young men use porn and presumably send bits they like to their pals, its totally legal porn so thats nobodys business except the person sending it and those receiving it.

What am I missing ?
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Not half as bored to death as people are about the metoo movement and all that other rubbish thats prefixed with a hashtag.
You're exaggerating the importance of these online groups and also insulting the irish people.

Irish adults are able to judge a case on its merits. They don't pause to think 'oh what would this hashtag group do here?'. As if 2/3 of the irish people not wanting the boys playing for their country could be attributed to hashtag groups. Half the percentage men? Get real. Complete fantasy that the hastag groups control irish opinion. If you believe that..
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I'm sure that's completely accurate. I'm sure she spent most of her time saying men are bad. Do you happen to have a transcript?
She lectured everyone involved bar the young women.
She then ended by basicall saying - of course these men are not guilty but they must pay a price for their behaviour. The implication being 'the price' is their careers in Irish rugby.
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You're exaggerating the importance of these online groups and also insulting the irish people.

Irish adults are able to judge a case on its merits. They don't pause to think 'oh what would this hashtag group do here?'. As if 2/3 of the irish people not wanting the boys playing for their country could be attributed to hashtag groups. Half the percentage men? Get real. Complete fantasy that the hastag groups control irish opinion. If you believe that..

Any Irish adults who are protesting about the jury decision in this case and maintaining innocent people cant go back to where their lives left off are not judging this case on its merits.
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Any chance of a pm of them Whatsapp messages.
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People here talk about the 'frenzied mob' and what have you.

Yet if anyone suggests that sponsors might pull out they get all defensive and almost offended themselves.
Looking at the first page of this thread shows who's frenzied and who's action sanely.
Does it though? In fairness Grayson, you yourself have insisted they are guilty of rape in spite of all the facts. One of many sub plots in this thread and the previous that gets more frustrating to read with every post.

Fact is the guys were found not guilty.
Fact is some find their private messages offensive.
Fact is it is up to their employers to work out what to do about their future careers.

Reality is that there will be pressure on their employers not to reinstate them. However, ask yourself is this because people believe they raped the girl or because their private messages were vile/ lewd/ offensive/ crossed a line?

Jacko said very little and imo his apology was a PR exercise not an admission of real guilt.
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Any chance of a pm of them Whatsapp messages.
https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-n...-sent-12283375

Real jack the lad idiots allright.

Rapists ? nah.

Careers should be over ? certainly not.
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Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.

A relative was in a shop in town this week and Bill Clinton arrived in, the women in the shop were literally gasping for a few crumbs from him.

He was a married man when he had oral sex with someone much younger, what in Gods name is wrong with what went on in that madhouse in Belfast.

Three drunk young people got into a bed to have hankypanky. A fourth person Dara Florence opened the door, she was invited to join in but it wasnt her cup of tea. No one pressurised her in anyway even though two of the people in the bed are supposed to have terrorised a woman. Another man opens the door and he is invited to join in and he literally jumps at the opportunity.

The next day various texts are sent in reply to a pal asking how the night went. Another pal sends a video of a porn clip, we know the vast majority of young men use porn and presumably send bits they like to their pals, its totally legal porn so thats nobodys business except the person sending it and those receiving it.

What am I missing ?
Bill Clinton and Paddy Jackson Are you for real? To point out all the naivety in this post would take a year. 1990s v today, most powerful man in the world v nobody. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Are you for real??!
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Deservedly so.
So the accusation is enough for people to loose their livelihoods.
Clearly people have never heard of McCarthyism or read the Scarlet Letter?
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Look at what Bill Clinton did and it didnt affect his career or life in anyway.
What are you blathering about. He was impeached.
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