Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

eeeee · 20-01-2021 12:45pm

The pre and post cycle lane comparison is pretty stark here:

It's also really apparent in the Blackrock Sandycove cycle lane. If you build it they will come, and they have, resulting in quieter, safer street, less pollution, cleaner air etc. The amount of cyclists on it now in comparison to before is unbelievable, kids, women, young and old, families etc.

The expected blocking of the Rock road didn't happen, I cycle both frequently before and after the lane went in.

It's hard to argue with.

MojoMaker · 20-01-2021 1:31pm

That's in a while now and a wonderful resource it is.

Anybody seen any data around how much traffic dropped off on that route, and - even better - any figures on conversions from motorised commuting to pedalling? Did the traffic simply divert? Was there hullabaloo from residents of Monkstown village etc?

Must be hard to capture but would be interesting.

Cheeky scooter from 3:20 in the clip above

Thelonious Monk · 20-01-2021 4:14pm

That Utrecht video is like a different planet. You notice in Holland that everyone is tall, no one is fat, and there's no helmets or high vis.

cletus · 20-01-2021 4:42pm

I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland

[Deleted User] · 20-01-2021 4:47pm

MojoMaker wrote: »

That's in a while now and a wonderful resource it is.

Anybody seen any data around how much traffic dropped off on that route, and - even better - any figures on conversions from motorised commuting to pedalling? Did the traffic simply divert? Was there hullabaloo from residents of Monkstown village etc?

Must be hard to capture but would be interesting.

Cheeky scooter from 3:20 in the clip above

it is impossible to say until people are back working in offices.

I live near the southern end of that stretch and as a driver it is a pain in the arse to be honest.

From a cycling perspective, it is nowehere near as busy as it was when it was built, but Sandycove is obviously less busy in the winter except for a few die hards and they have always walked there, or in the case of the new generation of winter swimmers, dry robes on a bike don't work, so they have stuck to their 4x4s.

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2021 5:03pm

Aegir wrote: »

it is impossible to say until people are back working in offices.

I live near the southern end of that stretch and as a driver it is a pain in the arse to be honest.

From a cycling perspective, it is nowehere near as busy as it was when it was built, but Sandycove is obviously less busy in the winter except for a few die hards and they have always walked there, or in the case of the new generation of winter swimmers, dry robes on a bike don't work, so they have stuck to their 4x4s.

I've seen a few people in Dryrobes on bikes. Last weekend one lady had some belt or strap around it.

eeeee · 20-01-2021 5:06pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I've seen a few people in Dryrobes on bikes. Last weekend one lady had some belt or strap around it.

What an excellent idea. Perfect post swim pedal home wear!

loyatemu · 20-01-2021 5:30pm

cletus wrote: »

I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland

the Dutch are among the tallest people on earth - coincidence?

(probably, yes).

Thelonious Monk · 20-01-2021 5:31pm

cletus wrote: »

I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland

The Dutch are the tallest in the world I think. And they're way down the EU overweight lists, you really notice it.

ted1 · 20-01-2021 5:47pm

Good news (except for Labre and his car)

https://mobile.twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1351911395420491776

cletus · 20-01-2021 6:26pm

I'm not challenging the height of the Dutch nation, it was more the suggested correlation between that and cycling. The post was mostly tongue in cheek

[Deleted User] · 20-01-2021 7:44pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Dutch are the tallest in the world I think. And they're way down the EU overweight lists, you really notice it.

When you live in a low flat country that could have a catastrophic flood, I guess being tall is part of natural selection.

Larbre34 · 21-01-2021 3:04pm

ted1 wrote: »

Good news (except for Labre and his car)

https://mobile.twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1351911395420491776

I'm absolutely in favour of this, its appropriate and will be brilliant for the City. I do think the local businesses will secure 24hr access for commercial deliveries ultimately. Also theres no comparison to be made between this and Strand Road.

I see the BBC are reporting that the High Court in London has quashed the pandemic 'Streetspace' scheme implemented by the Mayor of London and TfL, as unlawful and against good planning. Certainly something that DCC should take note of.

And less of the personal digs too please Ted, I can play that game if you'd like, but playing the man when you can't get near a ball only reflects badly on you.

BabysCoffee · 21-01-2021 3:20pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I'm absolutely in favour of this, its appropriate and will be brilliant for the City. I do think the local businesses will secure 24hr access for commercial deliveries ultimately. Also theres no comparison to be made between this and Strand Road.

I see the BBC are reporting that the High Court in London has quashed the pandemic 'Streetspace' scheme implemented by the Mayor of London and TfL, as unlawful and against good planning. Certainly something that DCC should take note of.

And less of the personal digs too please Ted, I can play that game if you'd like, but playing the man when you can't get near a ball only reflects badly on you.

If 24 access for deliveries is given, delivery should be done in small electric cycle carts as done in pedestrianised areas like is done on mainland Europe

Macy0161 · 21-01-2021 3:36pm

cletus wrote: »

I'm not challenging the height of the Dutch nation, it was more the suggested correlation between that and cycling. The post was mostly tongue in cheek

They need to get more aero ffs!

Larbre34 · 21-01-2021 3:42pm

BabysCoffee wrote: »

If 24 access for deliveries is given, delivery should be done in small electric cycle carts as done in pedestrianised areas like is done on mainland Europe

Agreed.

I do think something the City Council could turn their hand positively to is a 'break of bulk' plan for between the canals. There are too many larger vans and rigid trucks making deliveries on-street in the City centre. Now that electric vehicle tech is becoming a highly practical alternative, theres no reason a location on each side of the City couldn't be identified to deliver goods to for onward dispatch in smaller electric vehicles, though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.

Grassey · 21-01-2021 4:51pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.

Not seen these?

2019/dhl-rolls-out-its-cubicycle-in-new-york-city-participating-in-new-pilot-program-to-test-the-use-of-cargo-bikes-to-alleviate-traffic-congestion.html

Or

https://www.environmentalleader.com/2020/05/dhl-electric-cargo-bikes-miami/

Larbre34 · 21-01-2021 5:39pm

Very nice.

Like Dublin Bikes, if they are a workable solution, they will find success.

ted1 · 21-01-2021 5:49pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Agreed.

I do think something the City Council could turn their hand positively to is a 'break of bulk' plan for between the canals. There are too many larger vans and rigid trucks making deliveries on-street in the City centre. Now that electric vehicle tech is becoming a highly practical alternative, theres no reason a location on each side of the City couldn't be identified to deliver goods to for onward dispatch in smaller electric vehicles, though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.

Like this : https://fora.ie/freight-delivery-dublin-belfast-3994224-May2018/

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/fleet.ie/world-first-in-dublin-as-ups-dublin-city-council-innovate-to-reinvent-sustainable-last-mile-deliveries/%3famp

https://cyclingindustry.news/irelands-an-post-to-roll-out-electric-cargo-bike-fleet-with-greenaer/

Seth Brundle · 22-01-2021 10:33am

https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1352351941859430403

buffalo · 22-01-2021 11:23am

buffalo wrote: »

Big chance to give feedback for the Greater Dublin Area to the NTA:

The National Transport Authority (NTA) has commenced review of the 2016 – 2035 Transport Strategy. This review will assess how the current plan is being implemented and will help guide a strategy update that will set out a transport infrastructure and service investment framework for Dublin, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow until 2042.

The NTA is now calling on you to help shape the strategic objectives and inform policy direction.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/consultations/greater-dublin-area-transport-strategy/

Today's the last day for this too!

ted1 · 22-01-2021 1:44pm

Council plans for transport

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/chapter_5_transport_and_mobility.pdf

buffalo · 25-01-2021 1:39pm

As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

wtaf

loyatemu · 25-01-2021 3:01pm

that's unbelievable, and frankly dangerous, some cyclist is going to plough into those bollards.

Hopefully Eamo's new council cycling czars will have the authority to veto hare-brained designs like this, because whoever designed has not only never ridden a bike, they appear to have never seen a bike.

strandroad · 28-01-2021 10:56pm

Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?

ted1 · 28-01-2021 10:58pm

buffalo wrote: »

As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

wtaf

It reminds me of McDonalds

ted1 · 28-01-2021 11:03pm

strandroad wrote: »

Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?

There’s lots of apartments planned for both sides of the shanganah road so wouldn’t surprise me

strandroad · 28-01-2021 11:08pm

It would be a great link alright. Is there a chance of the council extending it all the way to connect with the Church Road cycling paths? Or through BusConnects maybe? I can't locate anything pertinent online.

Brian? · 29-01-2021 7:54am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That Utrecht video is like a different planet. You notice in Holland that everyone is tall, no one is fat, and there's no helmets or high vis.

I live in Eindhoven myself. I'm 1m89, 6ft 2ish in old money, and I'm not tall. I blend into a crowd nicely. I regularly meet women as tall or taller than me. Took some getting used to.

Eindhoven is a cyclists paradise. There are parts of the city where a short journey is much quicker by bike. In my 10km commute to work, I share the road with cars for about 100m.

The reason it's so good is that the bike lanes are planned first, then the bus lanes and then if there's room the car lanes. It's the only way to do it right.

The weather here is as bad as Ireland or worse sometimes. Yet people are so in the habit of cycling it's irrelevant

silverharp · 29-01-2021 10:22am

probably an evolutionary adaptation to all the flooding in Holland

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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