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WHO changes the definition of herd immunity

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  • 22-12-2020 1:45pm
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    Quiner
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    https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1341306917076021248

    WHO has changed the definition of herd immunity.

    Before 2020:

    "Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection during a sufficient or minimum time (which means that a number of immunized individuals are needed for a given time to achieve the goal of collective immunity), whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity."

    After 2020:

    "'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.

    Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it."

    Now why would they do that? They also changed the definition of a pandemic in 2009 (https://twitter.com/J4LYN/status/1314764698454089729. Yes it's a Twitter status, but it the tweet contains a screenshot of the new definition).

    This is the guy who runs WHO, by the way, and whom we're all supposed to trust: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/who-chief-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-may-face-genocide-charges-2fbfz7sff

    What on earth is going on?


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    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    By quoting the above you seem to be claiming there is "no pandemic"

    If so, what is really going on and what is the conspiracy?


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    Peregrinus
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    God, but you're very suggestible, OP. You need to sharpen your critical thinking skills a bit. Some bloke called Simon Dolan tells you that th WHO removed one definition from its website and replaced it with another and you accept unquestioningly, without the least thought of maybe checking for yourself, that he is correct and his claim can be treated as gospel. How charmingly sheeplike of you! What a gift you are to the conspiracy theory evangelists!

    You don't need terrribly advanced googling skills to discover that, right now, both definitions can be found on the WHO website. One has not replaced the other. The term is used in different senses, depending on the context in which it is used, and is therefore differently explained.


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    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    By quoting the above you seem to be claiming there is "no pandemic"

    If so, what is really going on and what is the conspiracy?

    It seems that they did change the definition in 2009. That would explain the obsession with case numbers.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    God, but you're very suggestible, OP. You need to sharpen your critical thinking skills a bit. Some bloke called Simon Dolan tells you that th WHO removed one definition from its website and replaced it with another and you accept unquestioningly, without the least thought of maybe checking for yourself, that he is correct and his claim can be treated as gospel. How charmingly sheeplike of you! What a gift you are to the conspiracy theory evangelists!

    You don't need terrribly advanced googling skills to discover that, right now, both definitions can be found on the WHO website. One has not replaced the other. The term is used in different senses, depending on the context in which it is used, and is therefore differently explained.

    But why are two definitions needed all of a sudden?


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    Insect Overlord
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    Quiner wrote: »
    But why are two definitions needed all of a sudden?

    Probably because protestors and other skeptical muppets have been spreading false information all over social media since the springtime.


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    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    It seems that they did change the definition in 2009. That would explain the obsession with case numbers.

    Can you address the questions, thanks

    By quoting the above you seem to be claiming there is "no pandemic"

    If so, what is really going on and what is the conspiracy?


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    King Mob
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    Quiner wrote: »
    But why are two definitions needed all of a sudden?
    You tell us.
    You believe there's something suspicious here.
    But I think it's going to be the same as all the conspiracy theories here lately. You don't actually have one to explain.
    You can't explain why this is suspect or sinster. You can't provide any rational reason or argument for why anyone should be bothered about this.

    I think it's just a case of you reading some crank's twitter who told you that something suspicious was happening, and you just accepted this attempt to control you without thinking.

    It's been happening a lot lately.


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    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,470 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Quiner wrote: »
    But why are two definitions needed all of a sudden?

    To specify and explain the need for the actual delineation and explanation of herd immunity as being specifically a product of vaccination programmes rather than the product of allowing a virus to run unchecked through the population.

    Certain politicians and fringe lunatics pushed for zero lockdown or restriction to allow "herd immunity" to be attained.

    The WHO has rewritten the definition to clearly state that the 70© is as a result of vaccination, not the lunacy of unchecked spread.
    To prevent those same fringe lunatics from continuing to claim "herd immunity" is a legitimate pandemic control strategy.

    It's actually fairly obvious why the change was needed, or do you have a different theory you'd care to share?


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    silliussoddius
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    More nonsense deflated for you. Better hurry to find your next conspiracy.


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    drunkmonkey
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    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    Probably because protestors and other skeptical muppets have been spreading false information all over social media since the springtime.

    Don't forget to add the medical professionals to your list like Treacherous Feeley & Co.


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    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Don't forget to add the medical professionals to your list like Treacherous Feeley & Co.

    There's always a handful of Youtube doctors and professional quacks who believe (and spread) complete nonsense. Off the top of my head, such notables from this forum include:
    • The osteopath who believes that vaccines will modify our DNA and hook us up to "A.I."
    • The retired doctor, Dr Vernon Coleman, on Youtube, who claims all this is a plan to "enslave" us
    • Andrew Wakefield, the struck off king of the anti-vaxxers


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    Ted_YNWA
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    There is no conspiracy here


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