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iLikeWaffles · 10-01-2019 10:12am

EoinHef wrote: »

With only about £20 in the difference would people go for a 8700k or a 9700K?

That includes board cooler ram for each etc so only £20 in the difference overall

€20 for 2 cores more than the 8700k, go for the 9700k!

iLikeWaffles · 10-01-2019 10:26am

h0neybadger wrote: »

Hey guys. hopefully someone can help.

I ordered a motherboard from Amazon Warehouse. Used item.
Can't ship to Ireland unfortunately. So I used Parcel Motel.

Arrived this evening, and just collected it.

It's not what I ordered. Completely different motherboard but the right box.

Filling out a returns form with Amazon, it's only showing Hermes drop off and Royal Mail drop off.
Trying to add an address to return it from, won't give me any more options.

Any thoughts? Should I ring Amazon and see what they can do? Or will I need to somehow get it to a RoyalMail post office?

That sucks! Iv'e not had it happen but I'd suspect Amazon would not pay for the return as you bypassed mailing options. That said I ordered something before on normal Amazon with parcel motel and that too had no Ireland delivery they did the RMA for me anyway. Contact them saying there is an issue with submitting the form (button greyed out or something) talking to a Human might get you a printable RMA.

jebidiah · 10-01-2019 10:30am

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

That sucks! Iv'e not had it happen but I'd suspect Amazon would not pay for the return as you bypassed mailing options. That said I ordered something before on normal Amazon with parcel motel and that too had no Ireland delivery they did the RMA for me anyway. Contact them saying there is an issue with submitting the form (button greyed out or something) talking to a Human might get you a printable RMA.

Similarly, my kindle was replaced under warranty, they asked me to send it via royal mail, which I couldn't. So after an online chat they agreed to let me post it with An Post registered and they refunded the postage cost when the item was received. If it's a case of a swapped part in the wrong box I can't imagine they will ask you to pay.

Cuddlesworth · 10-01-2019 11:04am

ED E wrote: »

Really common. Amazon see it as cheaper to take the hit than spend 3 mins on each restocking but that misses the extreme frustration for the "second" customer.

I've been hit with this 3 times now, pretty sure my account is going to be flagged because of their crappy system. Its really picking up in popularity.

K.O.Kiki · 10-01-2019 1:07pm

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

€20 for 2 cores more than the 8700k, go for the 9700k!

2 extra physical cores, but no hyperthreading (so 8700K still has 12 "execution" threads compared to 8). edit: this can also contribute to better 1% lows on 8700K

Gamers Nexus & other reviews found that in certain games this actually hurts performance, such that the older 8700K was outperforming the 9700K.
The only thing that saved the 9700K was that it clocked higher - which, due to silicon lottery, might not be an advantage.

In general though, they perform about equal - I'd take the 8700K tbh, and buy some beer with the change instead.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 3:29pm

The one thing that keeps putting the 9700k in my head is the fact that down the road i could drop in a 9900k as id have a decent z390 board. Looking at the gigabyte aorus elite.

Then the 8700K having more threads keeps making me think its the better option,potentially want to assign cores to servers that id run locally or do a bit of streaming etc.Thankfully aria got a good few more 8700k's in stock today so i have a little time to make the decision.

Can see why misky was up till 5am trying to decide:P

Im actually debating just stumping up the extra €120 and going with a 9900K

Cuddlesworth · 10-01-2019 4:05pm

EoinHef wrote: »

The one thing that keeps putting the 9700k in my head is the fact that down the road i could drop in a 9900k as id have a decent z390 board. Looking at the gigabyte aorus elite.

Then the 8700K having more threads keeps making me think its the better option,potentially want to assign cores to servers that id run locally or do a bit of streaming etc.Thankfully aria got a good few more 8700k's in stock today so i have a little time to make the decision.

Can see why misky was up till 5am trying to decide:P

If you game at 1440p or above and expect to use a decent gpu, the Intel proc's don't really hold any value proposition. And you won't upgrade to a 9900k in future, its rare to find top spec cpu's that are both for sale on their own and at a reasonable price. Check out 7700K/6700K pricing right now if you don't believe me. Its hard to even find a reviewer for the 9 series launch who disagreed with me.

K.O.Kiki · 10-01-2019 5:26pm

8700K, 9700K & 9900K are practically neck-and-neck in most games tbh; you're limited by GPU more often than not.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 5:33pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

If you game at 1440p or above and expect to use a decent gpu, the Intel proc's don't really hold any value proposition. And you won't upgrade to a 9900k in future, its rare to find top spec cpu's that are both for sale on their own and at a reasonable price. Check out 7700K/6700K pricing right now if you don't believe me. Its hard to even find a reviewer for the 9 series launch who disagreed with me.

Plenty of people dropping older i7's into builds that were originally an i5,whay would a 9900k be different?

Was tempted to just lash a 3770k into my machine a few months ago. Was on sale for €120 in CEX

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 5:36pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

8700K, 9700K & 9900K are practically neck-and-neck in most games tbh; you're limited by GPU more often than not.

Thats why i reckon im finding it hard to decide,its all so close with pros and cons for each

K.O.Kiki · 10-01-2019 5:57pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Thats why i reckon im finding it hard to decide,its all so close with pros and cons for each

Pro: Will let you play at high resolutions/framerates

Con: Not made by AMD

wotzgoingon · 10-01-2019 6:00pm

I'd go with the 9700K as you did say yourself you are getting a decent board. Then as you also said in a few years time you can always drop in the i9 to prolong the life of the computer.

People did say the i5's were the gaming chips with the four physical cores back in the day. Well the i7 is the i5 now with it's eight physical cores.

Though personally I would get a Ryzen myself if I was buying.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 8:02pm

The one thing about ryzen that im finding is that the 3200Mhz CL14 ram kits are £194+ from what i see. Now add a decent AM4 board and suddenly a 2700X is costing similar to a 9700K build.

Seeing as the machine is a gaming machine pretty exclusively it makes it quite the dilema imo. Intel offers more performance. Currently have a 100Hz 1440p monitor but plan to eventually get a 144hz one. That and the similar pricing makes me feel like intel might be the better option this time. I know my GPU will currently be the bottleneck but i usually upgrade GPU's reasonably regualrly where as id expect to upgrade the CPU only after 5 years or so.

EoinHef · 10-01-2019 10:37pm

So for fun heres the 3 builds.

Motherboard choices are based mostly on VRM quality. Especially the X470 and Z390 choices. The Z370 choice seems to be solid if a little more budget than the other two but givin what may end up running in the X470 or Z390 ive spent a little more on the other two. I would have liked the AsRock X470 Taichi but thats over £200 atm:(

RAM prices,especially high clock tight timing modules for ryzen are SO expensive. This really adds to the cost of the AM4 build. But givin the way infinity fabric reacts to ram speed and latency i thought i shouldnt cheap out here so went for the AMD recomended kit.

8700K
MB:AsRock Extreme 4 Z370 -£153
CPU:8700K -£370
RAM:Corsair LPX 3200Mhz/CL16 -£123
Cooler: Corsair H100i Pro RGB(:P) -£105
Total: £751

9700K
MB:Gigabyte Aorus Elite Z390 -£165
CPU:9700k -£380
RAM:Corsair LPX 3200Mhz/CL16 -£123
COOLER:Corsair H100i Pro RGB -£105
Total: £773

2700X
MB:ASUS ROG X470 F Gaming -£185
CPU:2700X -£309
RAM:G.Skill Flare X 3200Mhz/CL14 -£195
COOLER:Corsair H100i Pro RGB -£105
Total: £795

Prices are a mix of Aria and Amazon UK. Ive also to get a case but ill leave that discussion for now:P

Obviously could cut back on the Ryzen build,could probably save £100 with a few small compromises but just wanted to show that the cost can get up there with Ryzen.Think all 3 are a huge upgrade from where i am anyway:D

wotzgoingon · 10-01-2019 11:04pm

It's up to you really what build you go for. I myself have been saying on this forum since first gen Ryzen that I will get a Ryzen build. Half way through this year 3rd gen Ryzen will be released. I still don't know if I will upgrade BUT if I do upgrade it will be a Ryzen build when ever that is.

I also like you will not be going for a budget Ryzen build it would be a premium board and best RAM available for a Ryzen system at the time.

yoshiktk · 10-01-2019 11:31pm

As an owner of Ryzen, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. I went with a semi-saving build, Ryzen 2600 and Rx580 with the upgrade in mind later this year. At 1080 almost every game I've checked run butter smooth on ultra/high, with decent temps, maybe the Witcher was one exemption putting some stress on gpu.
For me the major point which made me choose AMD this time was the socket, new CPU's will still use AM4 and able to work on current mobo's so with a big upgrade in mind, I hope for few years of peaceful gaming.

TerrorFirmer · 11-01-2019 1:09am

I'd probably take the 8700K build personally. Ryzen is hands down the best budget option for gamers, or the best option flat out for productivity, but for raw gaming performance, Intel is still best. Especially when you have a 144hz monitor.

I had a 2700X, went to a 9600K which I have at 4.8Ghz and it's much better in games (have a 144hz monitor), 8700K should be even better in terms of minimum frames.

If you've no interest in overclocking then Ryzen is probably a better option as you could devote extra funds to a GPU.

MiskyBoyy · 11-01-2019 1:15am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUwLuQGPj4&feature=youtu.be&t=1092

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 1:24am

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUwLuQGPj4&feature=youtu.be&t=1092

Watched it,still finding it hard to decide:P

Think he nails it with the feeling bad about the 9700K simply because theres no hyperthreading but effectivly its extra core speed means its not really at much of a disadvantage because of it. Essentially a tiny bit more performance on average in games for the 9700k and a few productivity wins for the 8700k but overall pretty similar.

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 1:34am

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I'd probably take the 8700K build personally. Ryzen is hands down the best budget option for gamers, or the best option flat out for productivity, but for raw gaming performance, Intel is still best. Especially when you have a 144hz monitor.

I had a 2700X, went to a 9600K which I have at 4.8Ghz and it's much better in games (have a 144hz monitor), 8700K should be even better in terms of minimum frames.

If you've no interest in overclocking then Ryzen is probably a better option as you could devote extra funds to a GPU.

For me its gaming thats top of the list,anything that can run games at the level of either of the 3 is more than enough for everything else in my case. Makin me think intel is the way to go alright.

twinsen · 11-01-2019 5:21pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Watched it,still finding it hard to decide:P

Think he nails it with the feeling bad about the 9700K simply because theres no hyperthreading but effectivly its extra core speed means its not really at much of a disadvantage because of it. Essentially a tiny bit more performance on average in games for the 9700k and a few productivity wins for the 8700k but overall pretty similar.

if it is 20e difference it would be crazy to buy old tech. HT doesn't give much extra performance, and 2 extra cores will be way better in the long run.

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 6:10pm

twinsen wrote: »

if it is 20e difference it would be crazy to buy old tech. HT doesn't give much extra performance, and 2 extra cores will be way better in the long run.

Yeah ive decided to go with the 9700K. Its not the price difference,the thing that made it hard to choose for me was weather in the long run which would be more effective,6c/12t or 8c/8t.

Most of what im readin gives the 9700K the advantage,if even only a small one,and that the 8700K does better in blender but not much else. The only game i see throwing up better minimums for the 8700K is Far Cry 5 also so the minimums look to be similar or better on the 9700K for the most part.

Gonna order it all tonight after work.

MiskyBoyy · 11-01-2019 6:56pm

EoinHef wrote:

Gonna order it all tonight after work.

You won't regret it

When I got mine from overclockers it came with a code for Black Ops 4. Is it the same from Aria? Even if you don't use it, surely could sell it

EoinHef · 11-01-2019 8:06pm

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

You won't regret it

When I got mine from overclockers it came with a code for Black Ops 4. Is it the same from Aria? Even if you don't use it, surely could sell it

Not sure. Ill have a look when ordering. Have played a decent amount of it on PS4 so if its not included i dont mind too much. Be a nice bonus though:)

Venom · 11-01-2019 8:10pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Not sure. Ill have a look when ordering. Have played a decent amount of it on PS4 so if its not included i dont mind too much. Be a nice bonus though

I think it's fair to say you won't be having a bad gaming experience considering the hardware in question

h0neybadger · 11-01-2019 9:23pm

all sorted. Amazon are great. sent me a return address, and an email address to email the receipt for postage so they can refund the full amount paid.

papu · 12-01-2019 12:49pm

Has anyone purchased a Shenker or XMG laptop? Im looking for something for creative media production, i7, discrete gpu and a good screen with high srgb is needed. Budget around 800€, XMG seems to be the best option, my brother had a pcspecialist laptop and it kinda started falling apart near the end..

EoinHef · 12-01-2019 6:14pm

Phew! Thats all my ordering done:D

It really starts to add up! Ended up going with a NZXT H500 for the case. Got myself a pwm fan controller and a few bequiet pure wings pwm 140/120mm's to replace the stock case fans. Got a bit of noctua TIM and an rgb strip kit too.

Amazon doesnt have stock of some stuff till the 26th so be a bit of wait for the stuff from there.

Thats gonna be a long wait:(

K.O.Kiki · 12-01-2019 8:07pm

papu wrote: »

Has anyone purchased a Shenker or XMG laptop? Im looking for something for creative media production, i7, discrete gpu and a good screen with high srgb is needed. Budget around 800€, XMG seems to be the best option, my brother had a pcspecialist laptop and it kinda started falling apart near the end..

Schenker, XMG & PCSpecialist all use the same OEM as far as I know.

Skerries · 12-01-2019 8:22pm

Clevo?

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