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Youths doing ****ty things but not shooting anyone

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  • #32
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Well not if they have non white people in their class.
    Whites can also react to racism.

    I postulate whites are more likely to do something about racism than non-whites.


  • #33
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    You're kidding me?

    Firstly that thread had African Youths (which was correct) removed from it's title and now you're saying it's been subsumed into a Dublin gangland thread to essentially hide it away?

    God forbid a difficult issue be subject to discussion and debate. Real healthy attitude Boards, nice one.

    More discussion about it than in the mainstream media


  • #34
    FFred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭FFred


    Feral stuff alright, but a grown man videoing teenage girls is never a safe or advisable thing to do regardless of the circumstances IMO.


  • #35
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    biko wrote: »
    Whites can also react to racism.

    I postulate whites are more likely to do something about racism than non-whites.
    hmm not in my class


  • #36
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    FFred wrote: »
    Feral stuff alright, but a grown man videoing teenage girls is never a safe or advisable thing to do regardless of the circumstances IMO.

    He was doing it to protect himself. It’s not like he was secretly filming them sunbathing.

    The fact that you hold the above opinion is on par with them screaming paedo at him for filming them in a public place while they scream at him.


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  • #37
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    FFred wrote: »
    Feral stuff alright, but a grown man videoing teenage girls is never a safe or advisable thing to do regardless of the circumstances IMO.

    I don’t see a problem with it in these circumstances. If anything more serious had happened he’d have at least had evidence. He wasn’t the aggressor or goading them on, if they had such a problem with being recorded why didn’t they just walk away?

    I see what you mean though, it’s far from an ideal situation.


  • #38
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    A poor showing for ‘some teenage girls’. NOT a poor showing for Ireland. Usual sh1te from the left claiming we are all racist here in Ireland. Jog on, OP.


    Well no because racist or not, dragged up pieces of human trash like these are the norm now.


  • #39
    FFred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭FFred


    893bet wrote: »
    He was doing it to protect himself. It’s not like he was secretly filming them sunbathing.

    The fact that you hold the above opinion is on par with them screaming paedo at him for filming them in a public place while they scream at him.
    That’s just silly now. I work with teenage girls in a professional capacity so know the ethics and legalities of what I’m talking about, so your comparison is totally off the wall and naive.


  • #40
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    FFred wrote: »
    Feral stuff alright, but a grown man videoing teenage girls is never a safe or advisable thing to do regardless of the circumstances IMO.

    They're accusing him of being a paedophile in that video.
    He'd be well advised to video the circumstances of an accusation like that.


  • #41
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    FFred wrote: »
    That’s just silly now. I work with teenage girls in a professional capacity so know the ethics and legalities of what I’m talking about, so your comparison is totally off the wall and naive.


    He didn't do anything unethical or illegal.


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  • #42
    FFred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭FFred


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They're accusing him of being a paedophile in that video.
    .......... BECAUSE he’s videoing them!


  • #43
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They're accusing him of being a paedophile in that video.
    He'd be well advised to video the circumstances of an accusation like that.
    Their parents could file a lawsuit.

    There are three provisions for it under Irish law.

    If they were adults and it is a one off like this he could get away with it.

    But as kids its different.

    Now if he had blurred their faces etc it would be different again it would be ok.

    Its not legal to film people without consent though. Partic if its an ongoing thing.


  • #44
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Their parents could file a lawsuit.

    There are three provisions for it under Irish law.


    Go on.


  • #45
    FFred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭FFred


    MrFresh wrote: »
    He didn't do anything unethical or illegal.
    Wrong.

    https://www.earlychildhoodireland.ie/work/operating-childcare-service/guidelines-on-using-imagesvideo-of-children/consent-for-taking-imagesvideos-of-children/

    https://www.barnardos.ie/media/2188/template-policy-on-the-use-of-internet-and-photographic-and-recording-devices-with-guidance.docx


  • #46
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    MrFresh wrote: »
    He didn't do anything unethical or illegal.


    Wrong. Videoing them WAS illegal.

    Data protection laws.

    And you could argue they are only 12. Kids do stupid stuff.


  • #47
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    By the way its not just kids ..videoing ANYONE in this country without permission adult or child is illegal.


    Same with audio recordings for example what happened with Omarosa could not legally happen here. If someone is recorded with a hot mike etc again can't happen here.


    And with children you need their parents permission or a guardian.


  • #48
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    FFred wrote: »
    .......... BECAUSE he’s videoing them!

    So they're making the most serious but completely unfounded allegations against him because he was videoing them.
    He's dead right to get that in tape.


  • #49
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Wrong. Videoing them WAS illegal.
    Without a source you're just making stuff up.


  • #50
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    By the way its not just kids ..videoing ANYONE in this country without permission adult or child is illegal.



    And with children you need their parents permission or a guardian.
    Can you link to the law about that?
    My understanding is that even secret videoing only requires single party consent in Ireland.


  • #51
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Just wait till an Iranian gang arr6to avenge their loved one.
    They might be interested in a bit freelance"sorting out" for us.

    Yeah, that was a curious case. I wonder was he a gangster back in Iran before he claimed asylum here, become a gangster here before or while claiming asylum, or did he become a gangster after he was given asylum in Ireland...


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  • #52
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    FFred wrote: »
    Wrong.

    https://www.earlychildhoodireland.ie/work/operating-childcare-service/guidelines-on-using-imagesvideo-of-children/consent-for-taking-imagesvideos-of-children/

    https://www.barnardos.ie/media/2188/template-policy-on-the-use-of-internet-and-photographic-and-recording-devices-with-guidance.docx
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Wrong. Videoing them WAS illegal.

    Data protection laws.

    And you could argue they are only 12. Kids do stupid stuff.
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    By the way its not just kids ..videoing ANYONE in this country without permission adult or child is illegal.


    Same with audio recordings for example what happened with Omarosa could not legally happen here. If someone is recorded with a hot mike etc again can't happen here.


    And with children you need their parents permission or a guardian.


    Can you quote the actual law you are referring to instead of vague "data protection" or guidelines for childcare workers?


  • #53
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Well no because racist or not, dragged up pieces of human trash like these are the norm now.

    That’s what we get when we are soft on crime.


  • #54
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    ILoveYourVibes wrote:
    By the way its not just kids ..videoing ANYONE in this country without permission adult or child is illegal.


    So how does cctv work then? I'd be all ears for that.


  • #55
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    biko wrote: »
    Without a source you're just making stuff up.
    I have a law degree i am not making things up.

    Covert footage sometimes can't even be used in court cases here. Believe it or not that CAN include CCTV footage.


  • #56
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    So how does cctv work then? I'd be all ears for that.



    Read my post above. Judges are reluctant to exclude cctv footage on the basis of data protection law alone but it DOES happen.

    https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/guidance-landing/video-recording

    Its VERY nuanced.


  • #57
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I have a law degree i am not making things up.

    Covert footage sometimes can't even be used in court cases here. Believe it or not that CAN include CCTV footage.

    Can you post a link to the actual legislation?


  • #58
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I have a law degree
    Then it should be even easier for you than Joe Soap to find the relevant law.


  • #59
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    That’s what we get when we are soft on crime.

    Firing welfare around with no questions asked doesn’t help either.

    Put the two together and you’ve the perfect breeding ground for scumbags.


  • #60
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Can you post a link to the actual legislation?
    -__-


    Act 1993, the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)

    But there are other ones..

    There is also EU law for example.

    ALso data protection act of 2018

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/act/7/enacted/en/html

    Bear in mind there is NOT just ONE law etc.

    It can be VERY complex.


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  • #61
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Can you link to the law about that?
    My understanding is that even secret videoing only requires single party consent in Ireland.


    no that is a phone call...and ONLY by phone

    if you use other telecommunications facetime etc or whatever it doesn't apply..i mean the remit doesn't cover skype

    Also these laws are updated A LOT. Or in recent years with technology etc.

    They can change.


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